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Extraterrestial Visitations. Real?

Do You Believe in UFOs?

  • Yes I do

    Votes: 3 30.0%

  • No I don't

    Votes: 6 60.0%

  • I'm uncertain

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • Total voters
    10
  • Poll closed .
I used to think it was possible that there were UFO's, but every bit of evidence that there was has been countered. I think people are too eager to blow things out of proportion.
 
That's funny, Beer Good! Let's see, er, why would any intelligent life elsewhere actually try to get here? They might come close enough to see how we've managed things and make a big u-turn.
 
Well, there are UFO's whether or not you believe in them.
There are objects that fly and are not identified, so there are UFO's.
I guess beer good pointed this out in his way.
But I'll go a bit further and say that there ARE UFO's of extraterrestrial origin. It's just a numbers thing. The probabilities are infinitely in favor of other life somewhere in the universe. If something could happen once it's almost certain to happen elsewhere. Then, once they exist, they evolve, they develop space ships and fly around, and eventually get here.
See?
 
I used to be more open-minded about this possibility; but nowadays it seems rather irrelevant whether aliens exist or not to me. I prefer we cared more for our own planet.
 
I have to agree with that, Hetronym. I don't think aliens will be a big deal until they show up here. And although I'm sure that somewhere else in the universe there is life, I think we're flattering ourselves a bit in thinking that they like to spy on us and kidnap us.
 
I really don't believe in UFOs, There are ton of posible realisic explanations. People may have viewed secret air force planes,(i.e.-could you imagine having seen the B-2 stealth bomber before it was publicly unveiled?) have a lack of, or a surge of, seratonin or some other chemical in the brain; not to mention a diagnosis or two that for some reason, have been flying under the radar. Every evening in the U.S., you can listen to Art Bell or George Noory and listen in to people who call in about their houses haunting them and other cool stuff.
 
I guess the thing I really can't understand is - say beings from another planet manage to visit earth. Once they're here, surely they would want to either a) keep themselves hidden, or b) make their presence known. I find it difficult to believe that a race of beings capable of interplanetary travel would be unable to do either one or the other - that is, either there would be NO spottings or there would be a huge landing expedition in the middle of Times Square with every single neon sign reading "Take me to your leader".
 
LOL. Haven't seen any of those but I believe it. It's also suspicious that although Mexico gets more UFO sitings, the people in the good old US of A are the only ones who complain that the aliens take them on the spaceships and stick things where they shouldn't.

I saw a special on it once, and they were talking about this thing called sleep paralysis where you wake up during REM sleep, but you can't move and you're still hallucinating. All of the symptoms match with stories of UFO abductions. It was really interesting.
 
I believe that the odds are that there is some form of life elsewhere in this vast universe. What I find it hard to believe, given the astronomical (no pun intended) odds involved, is that any of this life is intelligent enough to have acquired the same knowledge of the universe that we have (not to sound arrogant or anything), to incorporate that into some kind of space travel program, and to develop the technology and master the use of a fuel system adequate for interstellar travel.
 
Infinitessimal probabilities become certainties, when you introduce the concept of infinity or eternity.
In other words, if there is even an infinitessimal probablilty (but not zero probability) that there is other life in the universe, and there is an infinitessimal probability (but not zero probability) that they learn about the universe and develop space travel, and an infinitessimal probabilty (but not zero probability) that they come to Earth, then over eternity it becomes a certainty that it will happen.
Of course, the Earth may not last that long - especially the way we're going right now, so my whole analysis may be flawed.
 
Well you've hit the nail on the head, there. Of course if we allow an infinite amount of time, all of these probablilties become moot (monkeys, typewriters and all that). But time (as we measure it, time since the big bang if you will) has not reached infinite status (as it can't). The universe is too young too allow for the all remotely possible situations to have occurred.

I know I'm saying this very ineloquently. Take the typewriter monkey analogy. If the infinite monkeys banged away for eternity, we woud have The Complete Works of Shakespeare, so the theory goes. But the monkeys have only been banging away for 15 to 20 billion years.

I don't dispute that there will be, or has been other intelligent life in the universe. I simply believe that for these other lifeforms to travel to the Earth (with all necessary evolution beforehand) in the time that the Earth is in existence is more than highly improbable.

Oh, and....if we're basing this on the question of whether the majority of stories told by drunken farmers about probing and such are true, then the differing accounts of ship design and anatomy of ETs surely makes them false, for the probability of multiple worlds of intelligent species making the distance is silly.
 
Well, I guess I may be getting way out there with this, but after all, this is a thread about the existence of extra-terrestrials.
Now then, if we accept the monkey/typewriter hypothesis, and it appears we do, then, it follows that UFO's of extra-terrestrial origin will eventually reach the Earth.
(Whew! Quite a stretch, I must admit!).
I'm not saying it's happened yet. Just that it will eventually. Even if our solar system peters out in another 15 billion years or so, we're talking about eternity. What's 15 billion years? The blink of an eye. There will be other Earths - in fact there already are (you know - the quantum physics "multi-verse" with parallel worlds all nearly identical to our own, etc.).
On the other hand, it sounds like BS to me. But, I think that's what physicists are saying.
 
Libre said:
There will be other Earths - in fact there already are (you know - the quantum physics "multi-verse" with parallel worlds all nearly identical to our own, etc.).
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On an aside note, that's a fascinating concept - I believe it was first publicized by a botanist named von Nägeli: that if the universe is infinite, then there's an infinite number of worlds, which means that every conceivable world must exist. Which means that there's a world were someone called Wine Good is writing this exact response right now, and another where he wrote it 10,000 years ago, etc.

I read an explanation once of what was wrong with that theory, but I'm not sure I understood it. It had something to do with the fact that a series of values can be infinite without including every conceivable value - if we take the ordinary musical scale, for instance, you can go CDEFGABCDEFGAB etc for as long as you like in any one direction (though the human ear won't hear it after a while), so the C major scale is infinite... but it will never once contain the note C#. It's infinite, but not all-inclusive.

I digress. I'm bored.
 
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