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ISBN numbers

Xeon

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Hi,

Just curious. If we don't have an ISBN number, will the local bookstores etc. still accept our books and sell them on the shelves?

Thanks,
Xeon.
 
International Standard Book Numbering numbers

I cashier at Barnes and Noble and every item rings up with the ISBN. If something doesn't ring up when I scan the tag, I have to enter it in manually by the ISBN.

go to www.isbn.org
 
A lot will depend on your local bookstore and the arrangement you make with them. If it's a small independant store (privately owned), they can pretty much do as they please. A larger store like B & N, or Borders may require the ISBN.

Are you avoiding the ISBN for some reason?
 
You definitely need an ISBN number. Very few places will accept a book without one. There's only one place in the United States to get them, if you're self-publishing. You can go here to buy a small block of numbers, and then you'll have them for future books: R.R. Bowker Co.

Good luck!
Cathy
 
I feel like I'm invisible 'coz I said the same thing that Motokid wrote and had the same link that Cathy put in my first post in this thread. :(
 
Am I invisible.... :D

Sorry Libra, I couldn't help it.

I just meant that depending on how "local" your connection was you might be able to infiltrate a larger chain, but you would probably really need an inside connection. It never hurts to ask. They may have a "local author" section and be willing to make some kind of deal.

I did not mean to restate what you already had posted.

Humble apologies... :eek:
 
:p oh don't apologize!!! I'm so sorry too though, I was being grumpy AND you said a whole bunch of stuff that I didn't. Hehe, I'm not mad. Thank you though. ;)
 
Thanks a lot, guys!
And yes, Motokid. In my country, the ISBN number is free. In fact, I already have my own ISBN no. already!
But they require me to deposit two of my books to the local library. :rolleyes:

By the way, what are the chances of local bookstores(not those large B & N chains etc.) accepting your self-published books?

Thanks,
Xeon.
 
I think your chances are very good at the local level as long as you are able to market yourself, and sell yourself well. I have books in local antique stores. They are always looking for something unique and different to sell, and they surely could care less about ISBN numbers.

Have you been able to get yourself any kind of press at all? Like a newspaper story, or have you done any charity work that's been written about? That would help out a lot.

Maybe you offer to do a book signing at the store of your choice to let the manager see what kind of interest you generate.

You'll have to offer the store some kind of percentage of every sale. Not to many stores will turn down more money. As long as your book is not pornographic or anything like that you should be able to get something going.
 
:eek: Oops! Sorry, Libra! I didn't realize the link was the same until afterward. I just did a cut and paste on mine from the Bowker site, and didn't even notice the addy. No, you're not invisible! ;)

Xeon, one thing that might help to sell to local stores is a Press Kit. This is what the major publishers prepare and send to the bookstores and distributors to interest them in your book. I wrote up some step-by-step instructions on how to prepare a press kit. Would you like me to post them here?
 
Cathy C.

Please give any info that could possibly help anybody here. Having more than one opinion on how to do something is always a good thing. If you have a proven process, that's even better. Thanks in advance.

Xeon,

I consider local to be a store in the exact town where you live. Within a relatively close distance to your home. Say, within an hour drive max.
Once you get some credibility in that store you can start fanning out from there. If there's a store you frequent enough that somebody working there knows you by your first name that's the best place to start. Don't overlook other stores (non-book stores) in your area that carry crafts and other products by local people. Part of the Guerrilla Marketing thing.....
 
Okay, this one is based on the Press Kit we did for our small publisher book. You just have to substitute your information where called for.

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INSTRUCTIONS TO BUILD YOUR OWN PRESS KIT!

First, buy the following supplies at your nearest Office Depot, OfficeMax, Staples (or major office supply clone):

1) Glossy Portfolio folders (with inside pockets) in your choice of colors (think cream or tan for elegant, navy blue or black for "dark/creepy" or perhaps match a color on your cover!)

2) A half-ream or ream of 8-1/2x11" 80# (#=pound) to 100# paper in cream or buff. The paper should be about the same stiffness as a good quality business card. Don't go with too much "rag content" or linen finish or else the letter edges will bleed and not look professional. One that's very attractive is Astroparche Specialty Card Stock by Wausau Papers (same brand as the neon Astrobright paper, but the Astroparche is only in the OfficeMax and Papers Unlimited chains that I’ve been able to find) in “Natural” color. It's only 65#, but for some reason feels much stiffer than even the 110#. It has a very professional look and feel.

3) Permanent glue stick, Dryline (Liquid Paper brand) permanent glue tape or double sided Scotch tape (yellow label in that brand). They all work about the same, but I prefer the Dryline glue tape for easy application. Remember that we’re talking *instant permanent*. If you mess up with a photo, the photo is trashed!

Next, take out five sheets of the paper.

Put the first sheet aside.
Take the second sheet, and cut one inch off the bottom with a papercutter or scissors.
Take the third sheet and cut two inches off the bottom.
Take the fourth sheet and cut three inches off the bottom
Take the fifth (final) sheet and cut four inches off the bottom

When you tap them all together into a stack, you will have tabbed, or stepped, papers that will stand up on the left side of the portfolio so that each of their titles will show at a glance and can never be covered up by the other.

Have a good 5x7 photo of yourself taken, in black and white. Professional and author-y, without too much "Glamour Shots" feel. Glue it to a sixth, full-sized piece of the paper with double-stick tape or glue stick. Make sure that none of the sticky ends up outside the edges of the photo. If it does, use a different sheet of paper. There's nothing worse than a book buyer getting sticky fingers from your promo material! It works best to apply the tape/glue to all four corners and then put an X in the center, corner to corner, to stick it firmly. Tuck it into the opposite side of the portfolio so that the photo isn't covered by the pocket.

On the tallest sheet of the heavy paper, you will center about one inch from the top of the page the following words in 48-64 point type (Times New Roman or Arial work best, but feel free to experiment with fonts to fit the tone of the book):

FACT SHEET

On the next tallest page, you will use the SAME typeface and size to print in the center:

AUTHOR BIOGRAPHY

On the next tallest page, you will use the SAME typeface and size to print in the center:

EXCERPT

On the next tallest page, you will use the SAME typeface and size to print in the center:

REVIEW QUOTES

On the shortest page, you will use the SAME typeface and size to print in the center:

SYNOPSIS

Here is the data that appeared on ours. You'll have to adjust the size of the font and content to fit the various sized pages and the details of your book. The text should be centered both vertically and horizontally on the page. Distance below the title don't matter.

FACT SHEET

Road to Riches: The Great Railroad Race to Aspen
ISBN: 1-890437-84-0
$14.95, 192 pages
26 Illustrations & photographs
Size: 6x9
Softbound
Authors: Cathy L. Clamp and C.T. Adams
Ship Date: May, 2003
Distributors: Books West, Baker & Taylor, Partners/West, Quality Books, or directly from Western Reflections Publishing Company.
Interesting Tidbits:
*The Denver & Rio Grande Railroad completed the eighty-six miles from Red Cliff to Aspen in just eight months.

*The D&RG used 1,000 men and over 600 animals to construct the first railroad through the Glenwood Canyon.

*Glenwood Canyon still remains one of the biggest obstacles to east-west travel in all of Colorado.


Road to Riches: The Great Railroad Race to Aspen is published by Western Reflections Publishing Company (800) 993-4490.


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AUTHOR BIOGRAPHY

Cathy Clamp was born in Waukesha, Wisconsin, lived in Glenwood Springs, was in Denver at the time she wrote the book, but now lives in Brady, Texas. She is a Certified Professional Legal Secretary, Certified Legal Assistant, CLA Real Estate Specialist, and CLA Intellectual Property Specialist. She likes reading, fishing, and hunting. She received an Honorable Mention for her short story, A Matter of Taste, in Writer’s Digest 2001 International Writing Competition. Cathy has written numerous magazine articles encompassing humor, the outdoors, and legal matters. She recently retired to become a full-time author.

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EXCERPT

"We’ve got to get a crew out to section ten," Luke announced. "There’s a waterfall coming over the edge of the cliff. The water’s washed away the bed. The 403 will be arriving from Glenwood soon. It won’t see the damage in this storm until it’s too late!"

Luke could hear the faint whistle of the train as it passed the Satank station. The 403 must have left the station early. It would be here in a few minutes, and he wasn’t nearly a mile from the damaged rails. He grabbed the lantern, dismounted, and left his mule to find shelter near the cliff face. He turned up the flame until the red glass blazed, and began to swing it in wide arcs from side to side. The movement was nearly too much for his injured ribs to handle. He took short, gasping breaths and continued swinging the lantern. Minutes passed. The roadbed began to shake as the engine approached.

The ice-cold torrent poured down mercilessly. Luke couldn’t see through the storm, but knew the train was almost upon him. The headlight appeared out of nowhere, far too close. Startled, Luke leapt to the side, leaving the lantern on the tracks, and rolled down the embankment. He stopped just short of a stream formed by the icy October rain, nearly the size and speed of the Roaring Fork. He could barely move by the time he halted his fall. He lay there, pain flooding his mind, wheezing heavily. He struggled against the darkness that ate at the edge of his vision, listening intently. A heartbeat later, a whistle pierced the air. They had seen him. But, if they had not understood the warning, it would still be too late!

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REVIEW QUOTES

"This entertaining novel is based on the famous 1887 railroad race to Aspen, Colorado. The authors’ historical research is first rate." Charles Albi, Historian, Colorado Railroad Museum

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PR SYNOPSIS (this sheet is the first thing they will see when they open the portfolio.)

From political backstabbing to multiple levels of saboteurs, this novel is an eloquent tale of hard-working, proud men, building a route to the silver fields of Aspen, against the odds of weather and geography, and various factions trying to prevent their success.

In 1887, Colorado’s western slope received freight by stage and wagon, a long and arduous trip over the Continental Divide of the Rocky Mountains. The Denver & Rio Grande (D&RG), known as the "Baby Road," had just been reorganized by bankruptcy courts. Because of the bankruptcy, other railroads weren’t taking the Baby Road seriously. The Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe broke "The Treaty of Boston" and began building in D&RG territory. The Union Pacific was buying up smaller companies to cut into the D&RG’s business. The officers of the D&RG realized that whoever first reached Aspen could write their own ticket on tourists and freight of both silver ore and coal. William Jackson and David Moffatt closed their eyes, crossed their fingers, and dove into the battle with fists, and money, flying. The Colorado Midland had a head start. In March of 1887, the D&RG started building from Red Cliff, near Vail, using 1,000 men and over 600 animals. The construction crew traveled eighty-six miles from Red Cliff to Aspen—in eight months!
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That's it! If you have a cover flat, trim it at the spine bend so that it's just the front cover. You can double-tape or glue stick it on the front of the portfolio in the same way you did the photo and POOF! You have a Press Kit. If you don't have a cover flat, you can also use Glossy photo paper if you have a JPEG of your cover from the publisher, and use it just like a cover flat. Print it out on a good quality inkjet at the size that approximates the size it will be on the shelf (5x7 or mass paperback size or 6x9 for trade paperback size), but not a full 8x10. You should be able to see the binder around the edges. An 8x10 photo looks stretched and not as professional as a regular cover size. As a last resort, you can just print the words "Press Kit" on another sheet of the heavy stock paper in a fancier lettering, such as Monotype Corsiva, bold, in 66 point font. Then trim it to a 2"x4" strip and glue it on the same way about 4 inches down from the top instead of centered, so it looks like a title.


That's all that's in it. Hope that helps!

Cathy
 
Thanks a lot, Cathy C and Motokid! Well, Cathy, those stuff you posted are very informative indeed and I'm going to read them later on! :)

By the way, have you guys ever applied for an ISBN no. via www.isbn.org?
Don't you simply feel shocked and wild when you see how expensive the prices are, even for just 1 simple ISBN no.? It's at least US$300, kid! :eek:

Or are there other cheaper ways to get an ISBN no.?

Thanks,
Xeon.
 
Xeon, you previously posted:
"In my country, the ISBN number is free. In fact, I already have my own ISBN no. already!"

Why are you concerned with the cost, or other methods of getting ISBN's?

Just curious?
 
From Motokid:
Why are you concerned with the cost, or other methods of getting ISBN's? Just curious?
Well, you see...the agency in my country who deals with handing out ISBN numbers is the National Library itself. Application is easy and free, however...though...you need to send two copies of your own book to the library after they gave you the ISBN number.

My book is a self-published book which I sell from an online storefront(meaning that it is published and delivered only when someone orders it online).
The problem is that I can't send them the two copies they require, because I can't order from my own storefront. Why?

Because I don't have a credit card and none of the folks I know have them either.
So, I guess I've to give up this ISBN no. they give me and look into other ways of getting an ISBN number without needing to purchase or send two copies of my book to them.

That's the long story behind my tale.

Good day!
Xeon. :)
 
Whoa. What the F????? You don't have a credit card???? And noone you know does either??? What planet are you from???? Who are you????

Sorry. I could not help that. You may be my new hero. :)

What about writting a check for two of your books?

I find it hard to believe you can't get two some way?

How would you approach a local book store about selling your books if you don't have at least a couple to give them to display?
 
The more I think about this the more I am completely baffled. How do you pay your bills? Heat, electric, phone, insurance, rent....??? Do you have a checking account?

What about getting a relative to buy the books for you? Parents, grandparents, cousins? You have to know somebody? A teacher would do it. Hell, if you pay all the shipping costs up front I'll do it if you send me a check that actually clears.

How did you pay the "On-Demand" Publisher to get to the point where you're at now? There had to be some kind of basic fee to get started? Money has to of changed hands between you and the publisher/printer.

There has to be somebody you are aquainted with who would take your cash and order you your own books.

I don't mean to pry into your life, but I am really, really confused as to why you can't get copies of your own book.
 
From Motokid
Whoa. What the F????? You don't have a credit card???? And noone you know does either??? What planet are you from???? Who are you????
Nah, I don't have a credit card. I am a descendant from the first Amish community and we don't believe in such modern things...
Nah. Actually, in my country, unlike America and several other European countries, credit card is only for the very rich.

I guess different countries have different systems, you see. For example, applying for an ISBN in America costs almost your whole bank, but over here, an ISBN is free. Here, you have to earn a nearly 5-digit salary per month in order to apply for one. The same goes for cars here.
This is the reason why only the rich has them, not the everyday person you see on the streets. :)

Sorry. I could not help that. You may be my new hero.
I must be! "He's back! He's faster, he's sleeker! Hitting cimenas this fall! SpiderXeon! The world's favorite superhero!"

What about writting a check for two of your books?
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Nah, they don't accept checks.

How would you approach a local book store about selling your books if you don't have at least a couple to give them to display?
Actually, I plan to do it online. The book is actually an extension of my web site, which is mostly a resource site for Norse mythology. If I can get traffic and credibility for the site, the book selling part will be easier.

The more I think about this the more I am completely baffled. How do you pay your bills? Heat, electric, phone, insurance, rent....??? Do you have a checking account?
We pay for them via auto-deduction from the bank accounts. All these companies in our country have some sort of tie-up and partnership with the national banks and that's why. Not via credit card, although I know Americans do it this way! ;)

What about getting a relative to buy the books for you? Parents, grandparents, cousins? You have to know somebody? A teacher would do it.
Nah! The teachers I know don't have a F****** credit card either! :)

Hell, if you pay all the shipping costs up front I'll do it if you send me a check that actually clears.
Whoa! If you're serious about this, MotoKid, I could send you real cash via money order direct to your home, including all shipping and postage fees. Once you got it, you can buy the books and send them to my library for me. ;)

How did you pay the "On-Demand" Publisher to get to the point where you're at now? There had to be some kind of basic fee to get started? Money has to of changed hands between you and the publisher/printer
Nah! The On-demand publisher is free. Do visit : http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/learn_book.aspx
There's another one at www.lulu.com

The start-up part is free; they just auto-deduct a small percentage of your sales and take a commission from there.
Every month, they'll send you a check(if you made any sales).

I don't mean to pry into your life, but I am really, really confused as to why you can't get copies of your own book.
Well, so now, this is an eye-opener for you! Something you know that most other folks in your neighbourhood and country don't! :D:)

Good day!
Xeon.
 
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