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Jarhead

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Rented this the other night and expected something along the lines of a rocking shoot 'em up like Blackhawk Down, fortunately, it was much better. It was more along the lines of A Rumor of War by Philip Caputo than anything else. It wasn't overly macho and showed the realistic side of what soldiers went through during their deployments-separation and relationship troubles with their wives/girlfriends, as well as the fact that many joined solely due to their dire economic straits. This is definitely a must see.:cool:
 
I've got the book on my TBR pile. Until then I'm holding off on the movie. I've heard a lot of good about it though, including from some Gulf War vets.
 
Good film. You cannot go into it expecting explosions and countless deaths.

There arent any.

A very profound film with great symbolism. Presents alot of emotion coupled with great acting.


Welcome to the Suck.
 
I have just rented the DVD and might watch it tonight or tomorrow. I'm a big fan of war movies. Hope it will be to my expectations as you all said, plus Jamie Foxx is a amazing actor, he’s one of the best.
 
Mentioned this film on one of my cigar boards and a member pointed out that the film had a number of inaccuracies. It took some serious digging, but I found a good synopsis as to the level of creative license that was used in making this one, just thought I'd share.

Good film, but some impossibilities exist in it:

1) At the beginning of the film, during training, Staff Sgt. Sykes accidentally kills one of his men in a live-fire drill as he fires a machine gun over their heads. Sykes is not investigated or reprimanded at all. In fact he goes on to lead a squad of men into battle. In real life Sykes would have most likely be relieved of his command, or at least demoted. Not to mention that Drill Sergeants that train Marines in boot camp would need to apply for transfer out of that duty to go into combat duty. The film makes it seem this type of transfer is commonly granted and even status quo; that the Marines have no need or interest in retaining Drill Sergeants for further basic combat training purposes. And if a Drill Sergeant did seek and was granted combat reassignment (which almost never happens) that Sergeant would probably never be assigned a squad that they had personally trained. NOT TO MENTION, machine guns are never fired with live rounds at recruits in basic training. Maybe in the BUDS training of Navy Seals, maybe. ALSO, Sykes constantly shouts profanities at his recruits in boot camp, which is officially banned nowadays, but wasn't always, but certainly was from at least 1989 forward.

2) Quite often it seems that the squad of men depicted in the film are the only troops around. They never seem to be part of a larger unit, like say a platoon or company. And Sykes doesn't seem to answer to a superior officer like a Lieutenant or Captain. The squad always seems to be secluded by themselves. We watch them carry on as the camera moves around them, and we never see any other troops or military hardware in the background, except in one or two short scenes. (No wonder they catch some friendly fire from some A-10s!) Meanwhile, all throughout the film, we are shown subtitles that count up the level of troops in the region, culminating at 500,000. I doubt that more than 50 troops were ever shown in any one scene in the film.

3) Marines are shown playing football in full anti-chemical suits in 112-degree weather. Most all the men would have collapsed and perhaps died because it is so hard to breath in gas masks, and full anti-chemical suits don't exactly "breath" either. They ain't made out of linen! Yet all we see is one Marine fall to his knees, which is played out as a comic moment.

4) When Swofford and Troy are in place to snipe at an enemy commander, Major Lincoln orders them to stand down, as he decides to call in an air strike instead. Troy, in frustration for being ordered to stand down, attacks and fights with Major Lincoln. Troy is not reprimanded or punished for this insubordination. Some form of reprimand would most certainly occurred in real life. I mean, Lincoln barely even yells at Troy!

5) After the scene described above, Swofford and Troy become separated from their squad. No one from their squad tries to locate them. Swofford and Troy are left to find their own way back to their squad, as if given up for dead. This would never happen in the real Marines.

6) At the end of the film, when Swofford and Troy do find their own way back to their squad, they find out that the war is over. Swofford complains that he never got to fire his rifle. Troy suggests he does so now. Swofford fires a round into the air. Other members of the squad follow suit and expend entire magazines of ammo into the air, with rifles set to full automatic fire (which most M-16's don't do, but rather fire in 3-round bursts instead). Random and pointless discharging of small arms in a non-combat setting is distinctly prohibited in all branches of the armed forces. Then they start burning their battle dress uniforms in a huge bonfire. No Sergeant would allow such anarchic and blatantly dangerous behavior, especially a former Drill Sergeant!!! Sykes does though, I guess since he doesn't seem to ever have a Lieutenant around to answer to. PLUS, they would still need their clothes and ammo since they were still in the middle of nowhere in the desert at night. Duh!

7) After the scene described above, it seems the troops go home the very next day! Impossible.

Okay, so not every scene needs to be perfect and by the book military-wise, as things do go awry in the fog of war. But this film is so not by the book you have to wonder if the filmmakers even knew the book existed!!!
 
Am I alone on this when I say that the saddest scene in the movie is the one with the horse in the oil fields??
 
JimMorrison said:
Am I alone on this when I say that the saddest scene in the movie is the one with the horse in the oil fields??
Yeah, I agree with you. Another scene which was sad is when they return to their country and people are cheering them, but they don't feel victory.
 
Samerron said:
Yeah, I agree with you. Another scene which was sad is when they return to their country and people are cheering them, but they don't feel victory.

That is one aspect of it that makes it a truly balanced film. You do get the view that they are willing and eager to serve and at the same time, it isn't just "gung-ho" time where they shoot up the enemy and life is a New York ticker-tape parade when they get back. The scene where the Vietnam veteran asks to sit down is also a poignant event as many of those veterans weren't so fortunate in regards to coming back with open arms and being welcomed. I'm also glad that the destruction of the Iraqi retreat convoy was covered. It was more of a turkey shoot than a battle in that instance.
 
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