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No more heros: writers

Wabbit

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Found this interesting article.

No more heroes: writers

Ever felt you're missing the point with some of our biggest cultural heroes? Admit it - everyone can name at least one hip, wildly praised band, album, film, TV show or author that they've never really rated. In this special issue, Guide writers get personal and demolish some of the greats they hate


James Ellroy
Ellroy. Dice this. Dame got juiced by her own .38. The DA 's chewing pretzels,and all I get is cold coffee and cigarettes. Jesus. Unfinished paperbacks. Or to put it in plain English, I have tried to appreciate James Ellroy's universally-acclaimed crime novels. But it's like cycling through porridge, because of his overwhelmingly stylised, staccato prose and monkey-puzzle plotting. He's also an originator of the now-ubiquitous fashion in books and films of jumping back and forth in time, viewpoint and plot strand just to show off. It's roughly equivalent to a prog-rock guitarist playing solos on his double-necked guitar - very impressive, but excuse me if I take a raincheck. Of course, if I had more patience I might find out what the plots mean - ie the world of crime is nasty and horrible.But as Ellroy might put it: Life - too short.

Johnny Sharp
Don DeLillo
Sometimes wisdoms are conventional because they 're true. Every critic hails the prologue of DeLillo's Underworld as exemplary, and they're right: the description of a 1951 Giants-Dodgers baseball match is a masterly evocation of a moment, and the ripples it creates. And sometimes wisdoms are conventional because people shy from challenging them. Every critic hails Underworld as a masterpiece, and they 're wrong. It sucks. Well, maybe it picks up after the first 6,000 pages, but who stuck with it that long? The urge to bellow "For God 's sake, get on with it!" becomes overwhelming. The intrepid souls who have voyaged towards the conclusion report, through lips trembling with the trauma of boredom, that it seems to be preoccupied with America's ungovernable production of stuff nobody needs. Years from now, opaque works will be written about the towers of unread DeLillo novels written in our time.
Andrew Mueller

Shakespeare
Whenever someone wants to be clever at a dinner party, they say: "Of course, if Shakespeare were alive today, he'd be writing EastEnders." And of course, they've got that dead right. Shakespeare, apart from writing completely unmatchable plays, is to blame for everything rubbish: the Reduced Shakespeare Company; Stratford-upon-Avon; Shakespeare's Sister; and the myriad terrible, tragic attempts to "update" his plays. I've devised a game that's a variation on the who's-the-ugliest-person-you'd-sleep-with? thing: what's the worst thing you 'd watch in preference to a Shakespeare play? Go on,be honest. I 'd rather see Midsomer Murders on ITV. Savage Garden in concert. Hell, I'd even prefer Shakespeare In Love. Shakespeare was no looker, either. More Bill Bailey with a pearl earring.
John Patterson

Dennis Potter
Dennis Potter's Pennies From Heaven, his sole stand-out work, is tragically but revealingly diminished by what came later. Pennies seemed to brood on questions of misanthropy and misogyny while the Singing Detective and the piss-poor Black Eyes read like nihilist manifestos. Potter was not a man pondering hate, he was in the grip of it. Potter was praised for innovatively shoehorning his favourite songs into the plot. This was certainly innovative but it was also (Pennies excepted) utterly pointless. The audience, weary with a dramatic device that owed nothing to drama and everything to gimmickry, switched off in their droves. In his latter years the increasingly bitter writer came to believe that all the world 's problems stemmed from satellite dishes and the moronising, mesmerising effect they had on the British public. He sounded for all the world like Hitler in his bunker blaming the demise of the Third Reich on the German people. Truly a preposterous man.
Ben Marshall

Beat writers
Pop-lore posits the Beat writer as a cartographer of social discomfort: a radical who refused literary constraints. The Beat writer was, in fact, a layabout who couldn't hold down a cogent idea. Kerouac, Ginsberg et al were self-aggrandising flaneurs, boozed-up alpha males who "became the work" by documenting their every brain-yawn like it was the declaration of a magic goose from the future. The "beat" that ensued was not America's heart condensed into chunks of polemic. It was the dull rhythm of flaccid egos being yanked by gits who never washed their trousers.
Sarah Dempster


Agree with these or disagree with these? Or maybe you would like to add your own? What writer/genre/book is over rated?
 
ControlArmsNow said:
I think The Guide writers are overrated.

My sentiments exactly. -.- IMO, this just makes whoever wrote it sound like an idiot, or the ignorant student arguing with a teacher just for the attention.
 
Interesting comments :)

It was taken from a newspaper called "The Guardian." I can't really comment myself as I haven't really read any of those authors apart from Shakespeare who I like very much and so certainly don't agree with the point he makes about him.

I have heard the argument before that if Shakespeare were writing today he would be writing something like Eastenders ( a trashy soap opera ). I really don't agree with this because the logic is flawed!

The logic is that common/popular = trashy. Although this can be true it's not always true. The logic just doesn't work. I don't think he would be writing a soap opera today. He might be be making movies and be one of the better directors out there making beautiful and interesting movies such as Ridley Scott of David Lynch.
 
Well, I definitely disagree with them about Shakespeare and DeLillo, but I can't speak to the rest.

It'd be interesting to find out which writers they thought were underrated (or rated just right). Taste is such a personal thing, after all.
 
You know, I agree with you! :)

It actually would be a better question to know which writers they thought were underrated. Hmmm, maybe a topic for future book forum discussion! :D
 
That item is meant as humor, I believe, not as a serious critique. I mean, just look at what the guy says about Shakespeare, for starters. That he's "responsible" for a bunch of 21st/20th century flotsam? It's supposed to be a joke. The ones on James Ellroy and the Beats are just funny. And what does one say to take the piss out of Delillo?

BTW, I do think if one is going to lift and reprint without permission, one should at least give all due credit to the original publisher (and copyright holder) up front.
 
No, it's not a piss take. At least, I don't think it is. It's not that papers style. And as the article mentioned, I have heard the Shakespeare thing many a time. At one time it was quite the thing to look all intellectual and say that about Shakespeare :)
 
So what if someone thinks Shakespeares crap. It's not the end of the world.

And I'd be inclined to think that the comments were intended to be funny.
 
"Shakespeare, apart from writing completely unmatchable plays, is to blame for everything rubbish: the Reduced Shakespeare Company; Stratford-upon-Avon; Shakespeare's Sister; and the myriad terrible, tragic attempts to "update" his plays. "


You think that's at all meaningful, Wabbit?


The Ellroy bit is straight pastiche.

BTW, I read The Guardian book section online regularly, so I do know their "style"--and that they're famous for bad editing. I used to read The Times, but not since it's subscription-only.
 
SillyWabbit said:
No, I personally don't agree with what they are saying.


I'm not surprised. In fact, I think it would be very hard to find anyone who would agree with any of these pieces, as they are pure nonsense.
 
I find them funny. As Homer would say, funny 'cause it's true. Or at least with enough truth in it to make it funny.

Shakespeare's genius lay in his use of language. His plots were truly soap. And what about those Greek Tragedies? When I was made to read them I thought they must be parodies of modern soaps.
 
Sun-SSS said:
When I was made to read them I thought they must be parodies of modern soaps.
More like precursor; i.e. Shakespeare showed them how it was done. Don't get me wrong, I love the Bard just as much as the next guy, but it is generally agreed that he wrote to appease the groundlings (at least that's what I've been told from the literature I've read from Shakespearean scholars). Even Jonson criticised him (to his face, and in critiques) for catering to the masses. But then again, where's Jonson now? :)

Article seems to have been written in a "I'm going to be arrogant to get a reaction, and I am educated enough to get away with it" kind of spirit. So I reply: "Haha, you're so funny" *cough into fist: you're a dick*.

Trying to move up the pecking order, I suppose?
 
I saw this article as well. I laughed quite a bit at it, especially the section aimed at Woody Allen. I didn't get the feeling it was entirely serious but it will be interesting to see what letters they get as a result.
 
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