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Rhetoric

therealdrag0

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I am interested in reading 'The Art of Rhetoric' But the reviewers without a lot of experience in this area didn't find the book vary understandable. I am definately an amature in this sort of thing, but I would like to work up to reading this, Is there a book that would help me before reading this. I am young and bright so it doesn't have to be to noobish ;)
Thanks
I am also interested in other forms of philosophy so suggestions for other philisophical books is welcome.
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Here is a handy outline of Aristotle's work on Rhetoric.

http://www.wfu.edu/~zulick/300/aristotle1.html


Here are some points that catch my eye:

Definition of Happiness (Eudaimonia)
Let us then define happiness as well-being combined with virtue, or independence of life, or life that is most agreeable combined with security, or abundance of possessions and slaves, combined with power to protect and make use of them; for nearly all men admit that one or more of these things constitutes happiness.

External Goods (blessings):
--noble birth (eugeneia)
--good children
--wealth
--good reputation (eudoxia)
--honor (timê)

Internal Goods:
--health
--beauty
--strength
--stature
--athleticism
--happy old age
--friends

The seven causes of human action:
--chance
--nature
--compulsion
--habit
--reason
--anger
--desire

As we review these lists, we may catch a glimpse of some drama or plot in the making, for these are they dynamics of the personality.

F. Scott Fitzgerald once said: "Show me a hero, and I will show you a tragedy."


I am going to mention something which might at first glance seem a digression or non-sequitur, but for me it touches upon something essential to Aristotle’s work. In college, I read a book by Alexandre Kojeve entitled “Introduction to the Reading of Hegel’s Phenomenology.” Kojeve remarks, in passing, mid-sentence, almost as a stage actor’s “aside”: “. As for.Plato, who believes that virtue can be taught…” (page 111)

As for Plato, who believes that virtue can be taught, and taught through dialectic – i.e., through Discourse – obviously the free act, for him, has the same nature as the act of conceptual understanding: for him, they are but two complementary aspects of one and the same thing.

The art of persuasion is important to education. People like Jefferson saw education as essential to government. The question of whether virtue can be taught or learned is a question of profound importance. Can the majority be persuaded that the highest good or virtue is also the greatest happiness?

A critic of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky once stated that “Literature is Philosophy in motion.”
 
Here is a handy timeline for the history of Rhetoric

http://rhetoric.byu.edu/Primary Texts/Timeline.htm

Aside remark:

One of the charges leveled against Socrates at his trial was that he taught people how to make "the weaker argument defeat the stronger."

Also, check out this college course outline:

http://cc.purdue.edu/~corax/clcs593R.html

This will help you with some key Greek terms (buzzwords)

http://www.missouri.edu/~engjnc/360/aristotleI.html

And here is YAOOAR (yet another outline of Aristotle's Rhetoric)

http://www.oxfordtutorials.com/AristotleOutlineRhetoric.htm


What is Classical Rhetoric?

http://www.memoriapress.com/articles/whatrhetoric.html

The three greatest ancient writers on rhetoric were Aristotle, Cicero and Quintilian. Aristotle was the greatest theoretician of rhetoric; Cicero its greatest practitioner; and Quintilian its greatest teacher. Classical rhetoric begins and ends with these three men.
 
I am slowly beginning to realize that one might spend hour upon hour simply reading what google can provide on the topic of Aristotle and Rhetoric.

Here is a course outline for Argumentation-Rhetoric-Theory

http://www.gla.ac.uk/crichton/layer2/core_modules/a_r_t.htm

Outline and illustrate by use of examples at least 5 of the following fallacies: begging the question; equivocation; slippery slope arguments; straw man; false analogy; argument from authority/expertise (ad verecundiam); argument against/from the person (ad hominem); argument by appeal to popular belief (ad populum); argument from appeal to pity (ad misericordiam); argument from anger or indignation (ad indignationem); argument from appeal to fear, or to a threat (ad baculum).
 
Thomas Habinek, Ancient Rhetoric and Oratory. Blackwell Introductions to the Classical World. Oxford: Blackwell Publishing, 2004. Pp. xi + 132. ISBN 0-631-23515-9. UK£13.99.

http://www.classics.und.ac.za/reviews/06-30hab.htm

The stability of the state is inextricably linked to the stable and sturdy character of a political orator. These orators include Pericles, Demosthenes, Alcibiades, Cicero, and Nero {via his 'ghostwriter' Seneca as recorded in the Annals of Tacitus}. In his attempt to construct the identity of the orator, he establishes that the practice of oratory is a lonely process, given its monological ethos, and that excellence in oratorical practice may sometimes be a compensation for other qualities that the orator may lack, such as noble birth, wealth, and high achievement (p. 16). Furthermore, the production of treatises and orations made the figure of the orator a beacon of oratorical education for subsequent generations (p. 17). Attached to the iconic profile of the orator is the incessant menace of death -- and in some cases these public speakers did meet violent ends

...


He concentrates on epideictic oration (pp. 54-59) by examining Pliny's Panegyricus. In his discussion, he equates the power of the emperor to that of the orator (p. 55).

...

Habinek later looks at the contributions of figures like Gorgias, St. Augustine, Friedrich Nietzsche, and Stephen Toulmin. The unifying concept in the chapter is that of kairos which he defines as 'making the most of the occasion' (p. 80). In the process, he emphasises how some rhetorical terms have been adopted in Christianity and have helped shape Christian theology.
 
Rhetoric, Composition and the Writing Process

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Rhetoric_and_Composition/The_Stages_of_the_Writing_Process

If writing is so complicated and mysterious, can it be taught? Since Aristotle, great teachers have taught complicated processes to their students by breaking them up into smaller, more understandable processes. Aristotle realized that effective communication skills, like good math skills, can be learned and taught. Math teachers don't teach integral calculus to their elementary students; instead, they begin with addition and subtraction. Everything else builds on those simple processes. No one is born a mathematician. Similarly, while luck certainly plays a role in any successful writer's career, it is wrong to assume that good writers (or speakers) are simply born into the role and everyone else is fated to flunk English class. You can learn to write with substance and style: it takes work, but it is within your power. You have already taken the first step.

Most of what we know about writing is also true of speaking. Aristotle wrote a famous treatise on the subject of effective communication called The Rhetoric. Though this book is meant for speakers, teachers and students have long used it to help polish their writing. This treatise is still widely read and applied today by anyone desiring to learn how to speak and write more convincingly to an audience. Your first-year composition course may even have the word "rhetoric" or "rhetorical" as part of its title. Aristotle taught that rhetoric isn't necessarily knowing exactly how to get what you want from an audience. Instead, rhetoric is the ability to determine all the available means of persuasion at your disposal. Ultimately, it's up to you to guess the best course of action, but at least rhetoric helps you make this an educated guess.
 
Well, realdragO,
There is no doubt that you have the grand-daddy of classic rheotric in your hands. And if your interest is specifically rhetoric, then I can certainly offer no better than the comprehensive suggestions that sitaram has already provided.

In more modern terms, however, if your interest is in the art of persuasion or being persuasive in life, then there is an ernormous popuar literature associated with the notions of effective public speaking and effective writing. The grand-daddy of popular works on effective public speaking is no doubt Dale Carnegie, with both How to Win Friends and Influence People, and also Public Speaking and Influencing Men In Business among others. His books have very well-deserved reputations for both their readability and the effectiveness of their practical appraoches. A little further afield, but still relevant, as well as highly readable and entertaining, is David Ogilvie's Confessions of an Advertisiing Man, from a field in which he was an acknowledged master and where persuasiveness is everything! If you follow the popular road you will come across any number of books by people describing how they have achieved their success and changed their lives through their powers of persuasion, so rhetoric is definitely well worth pursuing, one way or another, even if Aristotle is not the easiest read.
Good luck and best wishes,
Peder

PS When I try to learn something about a new field, I often start with looking for an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica, both on-line, may be quite helpful to you, whether about Aristotle in general or, hopefully, his Rhetoric in particular. Britannica is also available, almost certainly, in your local library.
P.
 
Here is a different link with Emerson's introduction to Plutarch's Morals:

http://www.rwe.org/comm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62&Itemid=240

(excerpt)
I find [Plutarch] a better teacher of rhetoric than any modern. His superstitions are poetic, aspiring, affirmative. A poet might rhyme all day with hints drawn from Plutarch, page on page. No doubt, this superior suggestion for the modern reader owes much to the foreign air, the Greek wine, the religion and history of antique heroes. Thebes, Sparta, Athens and Rome charm us away from the disgust of the passing hoar. But his own cheerfulness and rude health are also magnetic. In his immense quotation and allusion we quickly cease to discriminate between what he quotes and what he invents. We sail on his memory into the ports of every nation, enter into every private property, and do not stop to discriminate owners, but give him the praise of all. 'T is all Plutarch, by right of eminent domain, and all property vests in this emperor. This facility and abundance make the joy of his narrative, and he is read to the neglect of more careful historians. Yet he inspires a curiosity, sometimes makes a necessity, to read them. He disowns any attempt to rival Thueydides ; but I suppose he has a hundred readers where Thueydides finds one, and Thueydides must often thank Plutarch for that one. He has preserved for us a multitude of precious sentences, in prose or verse, of authors whose books are lost ; and these embalmed fragments, through his loving selection alone, have come to be proverbs of later mankind. I hope it is only my immense ignorance that makes me believe that they do not survive out of his pages, - not only Thespis, Polemos, Euphorion, Ariston, Evenus, etc., but fragments of Menander and Pindar. At all events, it is in reading the fragments he has saved from lost authors that I have hailed another example of the sacred care which has unrolled in our times, and still searches and unrolls papyri from ruined libraries and buried cities, and has drawn attention to what an ancient might call the politeness of Fate, - we will say, more advisedly, the benign Providence which uses the violence of war, of earthquakes and changed water-courses, to save underground through barbarous ages the relies of ancient art, and thus allows us to witness the upturning of the alphabets of old races, and the deciphering of for-gotten languages, so to complete the annals of the forefathers of Asia, Africa and Europe.
 
I was startled the day I realized that Socrates taught Plato, Plato taught Aristotle, and Aristotle taught Alexander the Great (I can just hear the roll call now; Meno…. HERE, Glycon… HERE, the Great… HERE).

Anyway, Plato had a quarrel with rhetoric and the sophists.


http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato-rhetoric/

Plato on Rhetoric

(excerpts)


What do philosophers have to say about rhetoric? Generally speaking, very little qua philosophers. Like all reflective people, philosophers dislike rhetoric as it is commonly practiced, bemoan the decline of public speech into mere persuasion and demagoguery, and generally think of themselves as avoiding rhetoric in favor of careful analysis and argument. “Rhetoric” tends to have a very negative connotation, and for the most part means “mere rhetoric.” As an object of academic study, the subject of rhetoric seems best left to English professors who specialize in the long history of manuals on techniques of persuasion and such. Consequently, philosophers, especially in modernity, have had little to say about rhetoric. By contrast, Aristotle devoted a book to the topic. And Plato struggles with rhetoric — or sophistry as it is sometimes also called, although the two are not identical — repeatedly. We recall that Socrates was put to death in part because he was suspected of being a sophist, a clever rhetorician who twists words and makes the weaker argument into the stronger, and for a fee will teach others the relevant techniques.[4] Plato's polemic against the sophists was so persuasive that, in conjunction with a well established and ongoing popular hostility towards sophistry (a hostility of which Socrates was, ironically, also the object), we have come to use “sophist” as a term of opprobrium meaning something like “mere rhetorician.” In Plato's dialogues there is unquestionably an ongoing quarrel between philosophy on the one hand and rhetoric and sophistry on the other, and it too is justly famed and pondered. What is it about?
Once again, the question is surprisingly difficult. It is not easy to understand why the topic is so important to Plato, what the essential issues in the quarrel are, and whether rhetoric is always a bad thing. We do recognize commendable examples of rhetoric — say, Pericles' Funeral Oration, Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, or Churchill's rousing speeches during World War II. These were rhetorical, but were they merely rhetorical, let alone sophistical? Still further, Plato's Socrates is not above speaking to his interlocutors rhetorically at times, even sophistically (some of his arguments against Thrasymachus in book I of the Rep. have been suspected of falling into the latter category, and Socrates' interlocutors are occasionally reported as feeling that he has played some kind of verbal trick on them). And are not Plato's dialogues themselves rhetorical in significant senses of the term?




The quarrel between rhetoric and philosophy, thus understood, ultimately addresses a range of fundamental issues. “Rhetoric” is taken here to constitute an entire world view. Its quarrel with philosophy is comprehensive, and bears on the nature of nature; the existence of objective moral norms; the connection (if any) between happiness and virtue; the nature and limits of reason; the value of reason (understood as the rational pursuit of objective purpose) in a human life; the nature of the soul or self; and the question as to whether there is a difference between true and false pleasure, i.e., whether pleasure is the good. It is striking that while Socrates wants to contrast “rhetorical” speech-making with his own approach of philosophical dialogue, in practice the differences blur. Socrates too starts to speak at length, sounds rhetorical at times, and ends the discussion with a myth. Callicles advances a substantive position (grounded in a version of the distinction between nature and convention) and defends it. These transgressions of rhetorical genres to one side, from Socrates' standpoint the ultimate philosophical question at stake concerns how one should live one's life (500c). Is the life of “politics,” understood as the pursuit of power and glory, superior to the life of philosophy?

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Is all of rhetoric bad? Are we to avoid — indeed, can we avoid — rhetoric altogether? Even in Plato’s dialogue, Gorgias, as we have seen, there is a distinction between rhetoric that instills belief, and rhetoric that instills knowledge, and later in the dialogue a form of noble rhetoric is mentioned, though no examples of its practitioners can be found (503a-b)



Many rhetoricians have artfully and effectively misled their audiences, and Socrates argues — somewhat implausibly perhaps — that in order to mislead one cannot oneself be misled. [Sitaram can easily imagine that certain demagogues, seen by history as supremely evil, were actually misled themselves by their own rhetoric]

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Rhetoric is the art of “leading the soul by means of speech” (261a8). Popular rhetoric is not an art, but a knack for persuasion. Artful rhetoric requires philosophy; but does philosophy require rhetoric? Why must philosophical discourse — say, as exemplified in “Socratic dialogue” — have anything to do with rhetoric? Plato’s dialogue Phaedrus points to the interesting thought that all discourse is rhetorical, even when the speaker is simply trying to communicate the truth — indeed, true rhetoric is the art of communicating the truth (notice the broad sweep of the discussion of discourse at 277e5-278b4). Rhetoric is present wherever and whenever people speak (261d10-e4 and context). Even when one is not sure what the truth is, and even when one is thinking through something by oneself — carrying on an inner dialogue, as it were — discourse and persuasion are present.[29] Of course, a philosopher will question assertions that he or she ought to persuaded of X; but that questioning too, the Phaedrus suggests, is part of a process aimed at warranted persuasion, and inevitably involves a mix of the “persuadability” of the philosopher on the one hand, and the truth (or falsity) of the claims on the other. The bottom line is that there is no escaping from persuasion, and so none from rhetoric — including of course from the very problem of distinguishing between warranted and unwarranted persuasion. Self-deception is an ever-present possibility (as Socrates implies here, and notes at Cratylus 428d). That is a problem about which the philosopher above all worries about. It is always a question of “leading the soul by means of speech,” even where it's a matter of the soul leading itself (or to use a phrase from earlier in the dialogue, moving itself (245e)
 
sitaram, realdragO,
There seems to be an inherent suspicion of the art of persusasion, and I now see that it goes back all the way to the beginning. Many people feel, also today, that persuasiveness can be "manipulative" and are very suspicous of the ways one can be persuasive. There seems to be the feeling that life proceeds by logic and reason alone, or at least should, and that the ultimate examples of dishonest persuaders are commonly assumed to be used-car salesmen, I think. That the utility of persusasion can be quite important and beneficial at life's critical junctures (like say in getting a job, or a raise) seems to be a notion that I would say is irrationally rejected by many people for whom it could otherwise be beneficial.
Odd! :confused:
Peder
 
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