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The Child Reader V. The Reading Child

abecedarian

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I found this while browsing in another forum and thought I'd see what you all think..

The Child Reader V. The Reading Child

I'm interested to see that it is my post on Jeanne Du Prau's City of Ember which is currently attracting comments. Lazygirl points out that her students loved the book.

This is always a problem when discussing children's fiction. I've not forgotten a panel on Harry Potter which was demolished when a child stood up to say that they were his favourite books ever. We all resisted pointing out that his "ever" wasn't very long.

Children's points of view do matter. We can't say a book is a wonderful book for children if children don't like it. Or we can, but you end up with writers like William Mayne who are marketed for children but as far as anyone can tell, enjoyed much more by adults. But there remains that difficulty that children may not have much against which to test a book.

What I want to do though is to get away from this kind of discussion in a very specific way. I want to challenge this group, "The Child Reader" which crops up in so many texts, because I have begun to think it a very sloppy term which hides a multitude of problems and very many fascinating questions.

To state the obvious: not all children are the same.

To begin with, I think it is long past time that children's fiction critics began to distinguish between the Child Reader and the Reading Child.

The Child Reader is all children who are being "encouraged" to read. These children read artificially in that they read because they are given books. They may do so willingly (and move themselves into my other category) or they may read only the books they are given and never read a book independently after the age of ten. It is these readers who critics discuss when they see children as something different in the market, a group for whom books will be chosen by adults.

Then there is the Reading Child. You know who this child is. If you are reading this blog you probably were one. You were the child who went from non-reader to reader almost over night (this often happens young but I know of one person for whom it happened at the age of ten). You don't remember the stage where you halted over words, because you were too busy falling over the next one. Francis Spufford writes of this brilliantly in The Child that Books Built and incidentally suggests that checking children understand what they read may destroy the pleasure in the act of reading--that reading is not about content but about form.

The Reading Child is the child who has to be steered around lamp-posts, who consumes books the way most kids consume candy. The Reading Child is the child who is a market, and who acts like an adult in the marketplace, because for this child, only a fraction of their books come from their parents, from teachers, or from librarians. This can occur in a range of contexts: Diana Wynne Jones frequently recalls her father's mean-ness with books which ensured that if she wanted to read she had to go beyond his choices. For myself, my mother was inordinately generous, pegging my pocket money at the cost of a paperback (if I bought second hand I could buy three), giving me books at birthdays and Christmas, but by the time I was eleven I was a member of three libraries and Saturday was a glorious round of choosing books. I reckon adults chose less than a tenth of what I read. The only adult influence was the same as it is on adult readers, what the librarians or book shop owners had chosen to stock.

The Reading Child is on the way to being an adult reader and will probably, eventually, make choices about what s/he thinks s/he likes. And it is in this context that I am asking, 'if the first piece of fiction ostentatiously labeled "science fiction" they read does not represent the adult genre, what are the consequences?' What bothers me is less the child who reads this kind of book, reaches for adult sf and discovers it's not for them, but the child who would like sf--often interested in a rational world, a world which can be worked out, a world in which stupidity gets you killed, less interested in sentiment and romance--who might read such a book and not find the elements of sf which interest them.





posted by Farah @ 11:25 AM

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Like pretty much everyone else here (I would guess), I was definitely a "reading child". If I misbehaved, my parents would punish me by making me come sit in the living room and watch TV with the family. Nooooo! I wanted to sit in my room and read, and not much else. I can't remember a time before I could read - by the time I started Kindergarten I was reading the newspaper (not understanding it all, but liking the big words). So, yeah, I would say I was a "reading child", all right.

But I'm not sure what the question is here. What are you asking? Are you wanting to know who else was a reading child, or something different? Your post is interesting, but I'm not clear on its point - hopefully others will understand it better than I did, or if not, maybe you will explain more.
 
I think it's an interesting post, but I'm not clear on whether the author thinks a 'reading child' can be created just by letting a child select his/her own reading or whether 'reading children' are different from other children.

In my experience, letting kids choose what they read is a great way to nurture a reader. But I'm not sure that every kid, even if carefully nurtured, will want to spend time that way. Not every kid who has access to a musical instrument wants to play it, though the right type of instruction can be a great help to those who do.

Of course, because reading is a gateway to all knowledge, whatever works best at nurturing reading children should be encouraged.
 
This is an interesting post and as for myself i have always read from a very early age!
But as for my two daughters who i have tryed to encourage to read from an early age only one of them enjoys reading while the other only reads when she has to as part of her course work at school.
 
I just wanted to see what you all thought of her ideas about their being the two different types of children. Having a larger than usual family size, I've been able to see a wide variety of readers within my own family. My dh and i are both avid readers, and have always encouraged and modeled good(I think) habits for our kids. My oldest 4 girls are avid readers and have been since they learned to read for themselves. The oldest two boys, who are 12 and 14, just discovered the fun of books in the last two years. The 14 yr old had NO interest in reading at all, even though he could read well enough. I tried all the tricks the books tell parents about "How to raise a reader"..but it wasn't until a playmate he looked up to, gave him a Star Wars book and the first Lord of The Rings book..and he's been hooked since then, He still will only read LOTR/Eragon/HP/etc.. Oh, he loved Peter and the Starcatchers by Dave Barry. So, as a home schooling mom who is using a real-book based curriculim, I just assign him the material he need to cover the historical era, and let him read what he likes on his own time. My 12 year old reads a little more widely, but like his brother, he's not too crazy about the historical fiction and nonfiction I assign. I do my best, and hope that sometime down the road they'll get hooked on reading to learn like they seem to have caught onto reading for fun. If not, at least they can't say I force-fed dull textbooks down their gullets :)
 
Sounds like you have a good strategy. IMO, all reading at a young age is good reading. I remember my son at the age of 5 or so went through this comics book phase, wanting all the Donald Duck/Uncle Scrooge McDuck comics (he thought the superheroes were too scary) and Scoobie-Doo, and I just kept buying them. Then he got into The Hardy Boys and read all of those.

Basically, whatever he was into I got more of. Now he's into naval history, aeronautics, Popular Mechanics, Robert Ludlum, Tom Clancy, Patrick Robinson.

But at school they're still trying to shove 'life lesson' books about poverty stricken kids with sick parents and dying dogs who get ostracized at school because they have curly hair or some nonsense. Yuck. It beggars belief the way they almost intentionally kill kids' interest.
 
novella said:
But at school they're still trying to shove 'life lesson' books about poverty stricken kids with sick parents and dying dogs who get ostracized at school because they have curly hair or some nonsense. Yuck. It beggars belief the way they almost intentionally kill kids' interest.

I am so thankful that my parents were people who read often and encouraged me to read. They bought me books for my birthday, books for Christmas and books for rewards. I had some good teachers at my first elementary school who read us Trixie Beldon and Ramona books. However, as an older child the books I got from school were real stinkers. I remember my first assigned reading book was Izzy, Willy-Nilly, a book about a girl who loses a leg after leaving a party with a drunk driver. There was a lesson to be learned from that book, but I'm really not sure I needed it forced down my throat at age eleven.
 
My parents bought me lots of those Goldenbooks, Rand McNally, and Elf books- and they took me to LOTS of garage sales. They were a single income couple, and my dad had to pay child support for two kids from his first marriage, so money was usually tight, but I allowed to have any book I asked for when we garage saled..so I had LOTS of book. I leaned towards nonfiction then, and came home with history textbooks, readers, and books on various topics like archaeology and American Indians. My mom didn't drive until after my dad died when I was in fifth grade. One of the first things she did when she got her permit, was get a library card..and I discovered a world beyond my elementary school library..
That was also about the time she joined The Doubleday Bargain Book Club..I still remember some of those introductory books: The Robe, The Best Loved Poems of the American People, and Gone With the Wind..I was the first kid in my 6th grade class to read Gone With the Wind(freaked out my school librarian!) :D
 
I Remember my parents were always getting me books. They had to limit me. There was a very small local bookstore where we were, Mom and Dad had to special order most of their books. Whenever they would go to the store, I would be bouncing up and down to go with them. The second we got there, Mom or Dad (whoever it was) would release me to go running to the backroom which had all the childrens books. I remember always thinking it must be heaven and although there was only one bookcase and a few side displays having a horrible time deciding what to get.

The first time I walked into a major chain bookstore I couldn't believe my good fortune. More racks of books than I could deal with. Even now my husband will say to me "Alright Duff, we only have 40 minutes..... try to be quick with it" Because I could wander around looking at things forever.

In high school I hated the books shoved on us. I went to a private school that censored everything. The only books I was ever assigned in high school were 1984 and The Scarlett letter(Because it taught us not to be adulterers). We were not allowed to read other books because they weren't Christain. I remember getting in trouble when teachers saw one of the books I had in my bag. They took me aside for about 30 minutes to have a discussion about my faith and how committed I really was to God. Of course, this just cemented my committment to keep making my way down the list I had of banned books and controversial lit.
 
Duff-I totally understand about the well-meaning person who pulled you aside to make you see the 'errors of your way" in your reading choices. Our local library has a member of my church at the checkout desk, and she's ultra conservative in her tastes..and can't understand why I've "allowed" my kids so much freedom in choosing their books. She's said things more than once to my oldest dd, who has always been an envelope pusher anyway..I've tried to explain that I'd much rather have the kids learn about life's dangers, toils and snares vicariously from a book, than to be doomed to repeat so many of the mistakes that have been recorded for others to read and learn from. And don't even get me started on the "down with magic and Harry Potter" folks I know :rolleyes:

I remember vividly the first time I ever experienced a real full service bookstore. It was Christmastime, 1973, and my mom and I had flown(for the first time) to New Jersey to spend our first Christmas without my dad, with my uncle and his wife and dd. I even remember the book I bought that day, and its still a favorite: Up A Road Slowly by Irene Hunt. I'd never seen so many books for sale in one place..and LADDERS to reach the top shelves..jeesh..give me sleeping bag,a bag of chips, and a flashlight and just leave me here!
 
Seriously, children will find a way to get the information they want. Whether they are given that knowledge or must seek it out on their own. Better to have that information transmitted through a book (where the family can discuss it) than to have the real live experience.

As for Harry Potter, Kids know it is imaginary. They know it isn't real. Howver it is still fun to let your imagination run away with you, just like when you were 3 yrs old pretending to be a dog or a fairy. Anytime a kid wants to sit down with a book well over 600 pages, more power to them.

I have a quote in my book:" It is not just the books under fire that worry me. It is the books that will never be written. The books that will never be read. All due to the fear of censorship. As always, the young readers will be the real losers."
---- Judy Blume
 
Scottishduffy said:
In high school I hated the books shoved on us. I went to a private school that censored everything. The only books I was ever assigned in high school were 1984 and The Scarlett letter(Because it taught us not to be adulterers). We were not allowed to read other books because they weren't Christain. I remember getting in trouble when teachers saw one of the books I had in my bag. They took me aside for about 30 minutes to have a discussion about my faith and how committed I really was to God. Of course, this just cemented my committment to keep making my way down the list I had of banned books and controversial lit.

Don't get me started on this. It wears me out that "christian" people want to edit and decide what is "safe" for consumption by the brown mooing herd of unthinking church folk. That thinking has led to the explosion of really poor "christian" fiction that is sanitized for your protection and flooding "christian bookstores" everywhere. It leads me to the question - which is worse for you: to read books with language and sex and violence and whatever or to read books that are so creatively barren that nothing of God can be found in them.
Images of God and faith and redemption and beauty and truth and ... can be found in the most unlikely places. Stephen King, Chuck Palahniuk, and most of that list of banned books you are talking about.
You want sex, violence, deceit, murder, and more of the worst humanity has to offer? Read the Bible. It's not a terribly safe book. If the church librarians were paying attention, they would have banned it years ago.
Enough out of me.
j
 
Some Questions: 1. Are you by chance(!) an E-Free pastor? 2. If not, are you willing to convert? 3. If you are, how do you feel about moving to south central Kansas???
 
abecedarian said:
Some Questions: 1. Are you by chance(!) an E-Free pastor? 2. If not, are you willing to convert? 3. If you are, how do you feel about moving to south central Kansas???
:D
1. Nope, sorry.
2. What would that look like?
3. south central kansas - nice place to drive through, but I'm not sure I could live there. Now if you were in KC, we might have to talk. . .

pax
J
 
I agree that thee are two kinds of readers. I've noticed this for quite some time. Either kind can be found in every type of home environment, whether it's in a public, private, or home school. The child who reads for reading's sake is one that is a joy to have in class. I know of one such student. When she gets in trouble, they ground her from her books. Now think of that-grounding their kid from BOOKS. I would love to have that kind of "problem" child in my home. I know other kids that have to be virtually threatened with the loss of life and limb before they would ever contemplate reading a book. I just believe that it's the nature of things and that you try your best to encourage them to learn how to enjoy reading on their own, as well as to get something out of their education.
 
curiouswonder said:
:D
1. Nope, sorry.
2. What would that look like?
3. south central kansas - nice place to drive through, but I'm not sure I could live there. Now if you were in KC, we might have to talk. . .

pax
J

Here's a link with our 12-Point Doctrinal Statement:
http://www.scefc.org/faith_12point.htm

as for not being sure about living in sc KS..c'mon you live in central Ok, it's not a lot different..we still dodge tornadoes for R&R :D
 
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