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The Legalization of Marijuana?
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Heteronym
New Member
It's a victimless crime which, for being marginalized, creates black markets that probably cause more victims than it would if it were legal.
I have no intentions of using it, the same way I've made a choice not to smoke and not to drink (yes, I am a tee-totaler
); but I have no problems with other people doing it.
I have no intentions of using it, the same way I've made a choice not to smoke and not to drink (yes, I am a tee-totaler
); but I have no problems with other people doing it.
MonkeyCatcher
New Member
Hell no!!
I don't see the point in introducing yet another substance to the market that heavily effects the health of the users. Why legalize it? There really is no point. I know that some people are going to point out that it has medicinal properties, and so it should therefore be legalised - firstly, it's already legally available for medical purposes, so making it legal for recreational purposes isn't going to affect anything in the way of medicine. And secondly, just because it does have certain health benefits does not mean that everyone should be able to use it. Using that logic, chemotherapy should be available for everyone to use recreationally.
It is in no way a "victimless" crime. The people who smoke that crap are victims. The children subject to parents who smoke that crap are victims, both alive and as embryos.
I don't see the point in introducing yet another substance to the market that heavily effects the health of the users. Why legalize it? There really is no point. I know that some people are going to point out that it has medicinal properties, and so it should therefore be legalised - firstly, it's already legally available for medical purposes, so making it legal for recreational purposes isn't going to affect anything in the way of medicine. And secondly, just because it does have certain health benefits does not mean that everyone should be able to use it. Using that logic, chemotherapy should be available for everyone to use recreationally.
It is in no way a "victimless" crime. The people who smoke that crap are victims. The children subject to parents who smoke that crap are victims, both alive and as embryos.
Gem
kickbox
Your points are fair MC, but somedays it would sure come in handy.
Seriously though,would it be such a bad thing if it were legal and thereby regulated? Legalising it would reduce a number of connected crimes and could perhaps help stop people from buying the more serious stuff out there.
Oh and I voted Don't Know, Don't Care
Seriously though,would it be such a bad thing if it were legal and thereby regulated? Legalising it would reduce a number of connected crimes and could perhaps help stop people from buying the more serious stuff out there.
Oh and I voted Don't Know, Don't Care
ValkyrieRaven88
New Member
I don't think I can say anything MonkeyCatcher didn't already say better.
Libre
Member
Both marijuana and tobacco should NOT be legal. These substances are incredibly harmful physically and psychologically. Tobacco should never have been legalized in the first place, and pot should never be legalized, period.
Of course, without tobacco we (Americans) wouldn't have had an economy in the early days, except maybe slavery. Gee, they thought of such charming stuff to base a country on.
But today, here and now, I say HELL NO to either tobacco or marijuana.
All we need is more stoned, giggling wackos stumbling around.
Who is going to benefit from such a plan?
Truth is, I'm a reformed, long term user - so I get to speak from experience.
Get it out of here. Make rope out of the crap - that's what you're supposed to do with the shit.
Or, there are other ways to interfere with your judgement and central nervous system, if they are working too well for you as it is - drink a bottle of whisky. Not as nice a high as pot - there's pay-back. That's why getting drunk is "fairer". You give something (your sobriety) and then you get something (a hangover).
Just don't crack up a car when you're looped and then say I told you to do it.
NO!
Just say NO to drugs. And say NO to stupid platitudes that contain no meaningful content or constructive solutions.
But no, don't make it legal. I might be tempted. Like when I was in Amsterdam couple years back. But as I said, I don't do that stuff anymore.
Of course, without tobacco we (Americans) wouldn't have had an economy in the early days, except maybe slavery. Gee, they thought of such charming stuff to base a country on.
But today, here and now, I say HELL NO to either tobacco or marijuana.
All we need is more stoned, giggling wackos stumbling around.
Who is going to benefit from such a plan?
Truth is, I'm a reformed, long term user - so I get to speak from experience.
Get it out of here. Make rope out of the crap - that's what you're supposed to do with the shit.
Or, there are other ways to interfere with your judgement and central nervous system, if they are working too well for you as it is - drink a bottle of whisky. Not as nice a high as pot - there's pay-back. That's why getting drunk is "fairer". You give something (your sobriety) and then you get something (a hangover).
Just don't crack up a car when you're looped and then say I told you to do it.
NO!
Just say NO to drugs. And say NO to stupid platitudes that contain no meaningful content or constructive solutions.
But no, don't make it legal. I might be tempted. Like when I was in Amsterdam couple years back. But as I said, I don't do that stuff anymore.
SFG75
Well-Known Member
I use to have a libertarian attitude about this issue. The "victimless crime" stance is an interesting one, but you have to draw the line somewhere in society. Yes, marijuana is not addictive as harder drugs and there are far more societal problems due to alcohol than marijuana, but it is also true that marijuana is a cultural/lifestyle drug that isn't very productive for users and which leads to harder drugs in due time. I've changed my views somewhat as I work at a school that treats chemical dependent youths. In order for them to be successful on the outside, they often times have to relocate and to break out of the social circles from which they came from. There are many who won't leave those very circles and I doubt they will ever be truly "functional" in any sense of the word. I believe that our current laws are sufficient, though we should emphasize treatment and counseling.
MonkeyCatcher
New Member
But would it stop people from bying more serious stuff? From what I've heard, pot is a substance that introduces people to the harder stuff - pot doesn't harm them, so why should the more serious stuff be any different, seems to be the mentality.
And it may reduce crimes connected to the illegal sale of the substance, but would an increase in the number using mean an increase in crimes connected to users, such as robberies etc that people commit while they are high? I think that more damage is done to a larger number of people by legalizing it - the health effects of using would create far more victims than exist already. People need to get rid of the idea that it's just a harmless bit of fun.
Libre
Member
I'm firmly against legalizing it, as I wrote above.
However, there is a conundrum.
Although I don't want it to be legal - in other words I don't want to see "coffee shops"* on every street corner, like you see in Amsterdam, I don't think that folks that smoke it in the privacy of their own homes, and who do no harm to others, should be prosecuted as criminals.
Basically, I'm saying it should be pretty much as it is now - not exactly legal, but not considered a serious crime to use it.
*Coffee shops: Cafes where both coffee and all varieties of cannabis are legally sold and consumed.
However, there is a conundrum.
Although I don't want it to be legal - in other words I don't want to see "coffee shops"* on every street corner, like you see in Amsterdam, I don't think that folks that smoke it in the privacy of their own homes, and who do no harm to others, should be prosecuted as criminals.
Basically, I'm saying it should be pretty much as it is now - not exactly legal, but not considered a serious crime to use it.
*Coffee shops: Cafes where both coffee and all varieties of cannabis are legally sold and consumed.