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Are you a good upright consumer?

Ms.

Ms.

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I wanna hear about you being dishonest or rally against it!

When i buy a cd i'll copy it bring it back exchange for gift vouchers(no receipt = no trace) and then buy another cd burn it ask for vouchers and use it in an affilated bookshop.

When i go to the cinema i buy a student ticket give one half to a friend so we split the cost go inside and see two movies.

I have a bus/rail card that covers me for all but two stops on my journey(two stops is a 10 mins) and it would cost 18 euro a week extra so i buy a 2 return tickets from the opposite directions which can be used within a month and let it cover me.
 
Ms. said:
When i buy a cd i'll copy it bring it back exchange for gift vouchers(no receipt = no trace) and then buy another cd burn it ask for vouchers and use it in an affilated bookshop.

When i go to the cinema i buy a student ticket give one half to a friend so we split the cost go inside and see two movies.
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That's theft. Plain and simple. You are a thief. :mad:

Your actions cost the rest of us honest consumers tons a money each and every year we are alive. The cost of what you take dishonestly is rolled into the cost of what honest consumers pay either right at the cash register or through insurance.:mad: :mad: :mad:

I hope you are lying for the sake of conversation.
 
I've shoplifted quite a few times. Not recently though and it was always on impulse, I'm still tempted at times but I curb my criminal urges.

I've never done anything as planned as what Ms. describes, that's just too much. I'll gladly admit that I download music from assorted illegal services, but if I hadn't done that I wouldn't have known who Alice Cooper is and would thus not have gone out and bought 14 of his albums, so all in all I dare say in my case the record industry is making money on the peer2peer services. I have quite an extensive record collection and it is ever growing, I buy cd's to support the artists I feel deserve my support - the only way to find out is either going to the library or downloading(because our library sucks).
 
What exactly gives you the right to steal the things that others must buy?
How do you justify your actions?

How will you defend yourself to a judge, and your family should you ever be caught?

Do you know you are a thief, or have you figured out some way of telling yourself it's all ok?
 
I am an honest comsumer!

But i have bought cds listened to them and if i dont like i take them back!
I never copy them!
I like to support the artist and the music industry!

As for shoplifting thats bloody awful!
Jemima you should step back take a good look at yourself and be ashamed!
You carnt be that skint to want to do it!
Or is it the buzz of getting caught?:(

I would scrub someones toilet for money if i was that hard up!
Shoplifting would never enter my head!
 
It would seem to me, that each and every one of us commits a multitude of acts that we know are unethical and immoral, regardless of the good we do. Nobody is all good or all bad. I've broken many laws - most if not all are very minor transgressions - exceeding the speed limit, double parking for a few minutes, very petty theft when I was much younger (wouldn't dream of it now), posession of contraband, jaywalking, etc.
Come on Motokid - we're all guilty of something.
I find it very strange though, Ms. that you seem to think there is nothing wrong with your behavior. At least when I'm doing something dishonest, I don't brag about it - and it seems like you're pretty proud of yourself.
Am I wrong?
 
Ms. said:
I wanna hear about you being dishonest or rally against it!
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It seems to me you're trying to start a heated discussion here, which is fine but I'm not going to join in. The actions you seem so proud of are distasteful and I hope you get caught someday.
 
I agree that the things described are pretty appalling, but I won't add anything further. I know I'm not perfect nor completely law-abiding so I don't think that I am in a postion to lecture Ms. or anyone else on what they do in their spare time.
 
I may or may not have MP3s that I didn't pay for...and the fourth season of Sopranos...and some Family Guys from last season...

Which, in my opinion, is no better than buying a CD, copying it and then bringing it back to the store.
 
Obviously no one's perfect in every way. I have copied cds off people and all that. But as has been mentioned by Jemima Aslana , copying/downloading often leads to further purchases. many a time i have been given a copy of a cd and liked it so much that I've gone out and purchased it, as the copy either wasn't good enough (MP3 inernet downloads etc? ICK!) or I want the packaging and lyrics. And I know I'm not the only one who has done this.
But actual shoplifting? That's a bit iffy. I expect i nicked things from shops when i was a kid - can't remember. I know i used to filch apples from an orchard. But these days? no way. If I can't afford it, I'll go without.
 
Ms. said:
I wanna hear about you being dishonest or rally against it!

When i buy a cd i'll copy it bring it back exchange for gift vouchers(no receipt = no trace) and then buy another cd burn it ask for vouchers and use it in an affilated bookshop.

When i go to the cinema i buy a student ticket give one half to a friend so we split the cost go inside and see two movies.

I have a bus/rail card that covers me for all but two stops on my journey(two stops is a 10 mins) and it would cost 18 euro a week extra so i buy a 2 return tickets from the opposite directions which can be used within a month and let it cover me.
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I don't know the first thing about "burning" CDs. I have been gifted a few though, so I guess that makes me dishonest. With that being said, perhaps it wouldn't be a problem if the price for a CD with one good song on it wasn't so exorbitantly priced. As for movies-haven't done anything like ticket splitting or waiting by the exit door for a friend to let me in-I rent mostly anyways.
 
I've borrowed cds from the library and copied then to windows player so I can listen to them while on the computer. I don't burn them to discs or give them to other people. Sometimes the kids burn spare copies of cds they buy so they can save the original from bodily injury. We don't allow them to make or recieve gifts of burned copies for/from friends. The only time I shop lifted was when I was way under 10, and we'd gone to the grocery store and I pocketed a candy bar. I felt so guilty I showed it to my parents before we got out of the parking lot...
 
The point here isn't "free downloads". It's buying something and returning it and getting credit to "buy more". It's no different from buying a shirt, wearing it once and returning it and getting another shirt, wearing it once and returning it-for no other reason than you don't want to actually PAY for it.
 
Let's get our priorities in order.
First of all, judging that an item is "exorbitantly priced" is no justification for helping yourself to it. Nor is the contention that future purchases justify illegal downloads. Downloading is just something we do, it's like a free sample - I don't see anything that wrong with it (as long as it's not excessive) - and I produce and sell my own CD's of my own music so I could be ripped of in this way myself.

But the greater issue is that just because we all do things that are not perfect, from time to time, does not mean we are all equally immoral. That would be equating a jaywalker to Hitler. Not that buying CD's and then copying them and returning them is the equivalent of genocide and mass murder either.

Ms, your activities go well beyond glomming an occassional freeby mp3. It is premeditated larceny. I don't see how you can be so open about this. What, did you expect us to slap you on the back and call you a "rascal" with a wink in our eye?
 
I`ve bought cd`s. I have paid £9.99 for a cd that only costs $9.99 in the USA. I have tried to burn a copy to keep in the car for myself or to make my own cd using the best tracks from the ones I`ve bought, but a lot of cd are protected from being copied, so I can`t make my self a copy.
Who`s ripping who off?

DVD`s cost a third more than videos, even though it costs more to make a video cassette than a cd. The manufacturers justify this cost by including another hour of `how the film was made` rubbish on the disk.
Who`s ripping who off?

If manufacturers sold their products at a fair price the public would buy more and not turn to the pirates.
 
moonshot said:
I`ve bought cd`s. I have paid £9.99 for a cd that only costs $9.99 in the USA. I have tried to burn a copy to keep in the car for myself or to make my own cd using the best tracks from the ones I`ve bought, but a lot of cd are protected from being copied, so I can`t make my self a copy.
Who`s ripping who off?

DVD`s cost a third more than videos, even though it costs more to make a video cassette than a cd. The manufacturers justify this cost by including another hour of `how the film was made` rubbish on the disk.
Who`s ripping who off?

If manufacturers sold their products at a fair price the public would buy more and not turn to the pirates.
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I really find it pathetic when people start to play the blame game. People have to start owning up to their own wrong-doings and stop finding some other scapegoat (usually a major corporation :rolleyes: ) to blame for all of their problems. What Ms. is doing is just plain stealing. Simple as that. Forget all this "who's ripping who off?" rubbish - it's theft, plain and simple, and Ms. has noone to blame but himself for his actions. It really gets me irrate when people start offloading their crimes onto others, such as people blaming video games when they go on a killing spree :mad:
 
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