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Banning Specific Breeds of Dog

(overlooked it the first time)

I know someone who has a black lab / pit bull mix... it looks just like your dog.
 
Robert said:
No it is not the same. You can control those things, but you can't always control a pit bull.

Is it a deserved reputation or not?
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It's no more deserved than the reputation that ferrets have.
 
geneviv said:
I heard pit bulls are illegal in England. Is this true?
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Yes - I posted earlier about the DDA in the UK. The DDA was brought into effect in 1991 which banned the following breeds.

Dogo Argentino
Pit Bull Terrier
Fila Brassiliero
Japanese Tosa

Dogs which fall into the category 'of this type' could also be banned. When the DDA came into effect there was only one Tosa and no Dogo's or Fila's in the UK. The legislation was brought in due to a spate of Pit Bull attacks.

Germany has far stricter laws than the UK (though the laws differ between states). They have different categories of classification - as far as I am aware Category one dogs can not be imported or bred. Category two dogs are those which are potentially dangerous and can be owned and bred providing they pass a temperament test. Category three dogs (as far as I am aware) include all dogs that weigh more than 20Kg and are taller than 40cm (though I would be grateful if someone who lives in Germany could clarify these), these dogs must be on a lead if in a built up area and will be moved into category two if they shows any signs of agression.

These laws were passed/brought into effect after several attacks, notably the killing of a 6 year old boy in a school playground. The two dogs involved, a Pit Bull and a Staff, ended up being shot by the police in order to get them to release the child (10 and 9 shots respectively). No one, including the owners, could get the dogs to release the boy.
 
leckert said:
I do believe that the owners of these dogs that attack should be charged with the injuries/deaths their dogs cause, but how much of a dog's aggressiveness is in its DNA? Is there someone out there with an actual education in this who can give some objective facts? It would be interesting to know if the dogs temperment comes from nature or nurture.
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Most of a dogs personality comes from nurture, however some particular lines are known to be more aggressive. We are finding that (in my breed, in the UK) some lines have far more temperament problems than others, luckily these lines are fairly few and far between and these are being bred by puppy farmers :mad: (but that is another issue). Obviously the different breeds have differing temperaments depending on what they were originally bred for (and the lifestyle).
 
Motokid said:
my first attempt at photobucket....

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my pit....

edit: sweet...I'm glad that worked (who needs a testing area?)

now...is this the type of dog you want to ban?.... 'cause I'm afraid you'd be in for a bit of a fight to take her away from my family.....
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Your dog is so cute!
 
There are a few things I always say...

Guns don't kill people... people kill people & I think there should be a legislation on banning Moronic people from both getting a puppy and having babies....

(now you all know how I feel) :p

I grew up with a Doberman, and they are VERY intelligent dogs. We've never had a problem with him turning on us. He might have had BIG brain, but it never made him nuts. He may as well have been more intelligent then my moron neighbors.

My Doberman, Ironiclly name Teddy was such a gentle soul. He loved the kids in the family, the youngest being 4 years old. He loved everyone in the neighborhood, especially an older man down the street. My dog had a ritual where he would wait for the man to come out to give Teddy a belly rub and some treats.
Now you tell me, how do you ban a family member?
JMO
 
Well, I have maltese dogs and I would freak out if anyone took them away from me. Ofcourse banning maltese would be absurd. . .

Here's another one.

Anyway I think your dobermans are safe because the breed is very intelligent and even used by the police (I think).

Those aren't mine by the way. I don't have any pictures of them on my computer.
 
Seen that one before.

And I can't help but wonder... what meant more to that mum? Her son or her dogs? She locked her SON in the basement while the dogs were free to roam the house! What kind of prioritising is that?

Ahem, anyways. What with pits having been bred for aggressiveness and fighting skills it's obvious that they are more dangerous simply being what they are. In the hands of sensible people there may not be problems with the pit, but you never know.

Of course other dogs attack as well - but the pits have far more attacks than most other breeds. In Denmark the most numerous breed is the Lab - If there was no difference in the aggressiveness of the breeds logically the Labs should sign for the most attacks - but 'strangely' they don't.

Which dogs do? The dogs that are in fact infamous for aggressiveness. Pit bulls are illegal in DK so they don't get that dubious honour here. And thankfully we don't have a lot of attacks - last time I heard of an attack in my home-town it was a German Shephard... that had bitten a child because the ill-behaved brat had been beating it with a stick - child survived, doggy was put down... If a lil brat had beaten me with a stick I would've probably slapped them six ways from Sunday.

Ahem, dogs behave according to their instincts and instincts are hereditary, that means you can breed dogs with a tendency to attack if they feel threatened and you can breed dogs with a tendency to run away if they feel threatened. The pits were bred for... well, what do you think they named them PIT bulls for? dun dun dun...

I will not force anyone to get rid of their peaceful doggy, hence a law placing a ban on pits would have to be gradual. Those who own pits can keep them, but it'll be illegal to breed, buy and sell them, and once there are no more pits in the jurisdiction they can remove the clause about "those who own..."

We have no pits in DK as I said - that ban was introduced as I exemplified above, and frankly I don't mind that ban. So there's one breed of dogs out of how many hundred(?) thousand even(?) that we can't own - I really won't feel deprived over that. Who will honestly miss the breed as a whole? Sure people can miss their well-known individual dogs (I know I do when I'm away from mine) but the breed as a whole? I doubt it. Is it a loss to the world that a breed of dogs might die out (not bloody likely as long as we have drug lords who want aggressive dogs, but still...)? Nope. It's a breed that's been perfected by human hands and can hardly be called something we should make reservations for like we should with tigers and pandas.

So all in all - I don't understand why people are so strongly against the banning of pits.

Then again, here in DK owning a gun isn't a right - it is in most cases illegal, so I'm kinda used to not being allowed to own instruments of slaughter.
 
Jemima Aslana said:
Seen that one before.

And I can't help but wonder... what meant more to that mum? Her son or her dogs? She locked her SON in the basement while the dogs were free to roam the house! What kind of prioritising is that?
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Glad you caught that bit, Jemima, because I missed it. Can't think much of the mother for that.
 
Yeah you say what you want about the dogs and all - but with that mum prioritising like that it sounds a bit like those dogs were her fav children and were allowed to get away with anything - never getting any discipline. No wonder they get out of control then.

*shakes head*

Some people should really be licensed to have a pet.
 
I don't have any experience with pit bulls, but I do know of several children who were scarred for life by pomeranians..it all boils down to responsible dog owners and parents guarding their kids and educating them about canine behavior. We can't protect them from every danger, but we can use the horror stories from the headlines as opportunities to educate and train our kids. (We do that with those stories about teen car deaths too). I don't see how banning the latest "bad" breed can effective. A sweet, lovely collie can be made nasty in the "right" conditions.
 
True enough. I read something the other day about 'reaction-thresholds' in dogs. For instance an Irish terrier(my parents have one) has a very high reaction-threshold for barking, they hardly ever bark, which means it's futile to try and teach them to bark when they need to be let out to pee, unlike the Cocker Spaniel who can easily learn this (my aunt has one) because it has a very low barking threshold.

The pits have a low biting threshold, not because they're more aggressive, I suppose, but simply because they have a shorter fuse when it comes to biting.

So what should generally be concluded is that if one has kids one should think twice before getting a pitbull or other dog with low biting threshold and the other way round, depending on which was there first.

All thresholds can be crossed of course - my parents' Irish terrier who almost never barks, is angrily barking at the vacuum cleaner when I'm cleaning the house, bit that's only thing I've ever experienced to cross his threshold.
 
There should be tougher legislation regarding ownership of a Dog as opposed to restricting the breeds themselves. Make it harder for people to own a dog. Perhaps people with a history of violence or whom have had violent pets in the past should be banned from any pet ownership. People should be screened before purchasing a dog to make sure that THEY, the owner, will provide a loving home for the pet and raise it in a responsible manner. Upon purchase of a dog, make owners sign a contract at that moment assuming responsibility for all the Dog's actions in the future. This would not affect 90% of the great dog owners who only want a family pet and a companion. This would possibly weed out the people who wish to raise aggressive dogs.

Many responsible breeders screen potential owners, why can't all dog owners be screened like that?
 
Scottishduffy said:
There should be tougher legislation regarding ownership of a Dog as opposed to restricting the breeds themselves. Make it harder for people to own a dog. Perhaps people with a history of violence or whom have had violent pets in the past should be banned from any pet ownership. People should be screened before purchasing a dog to make sure that THEY, the owner, will provide a loving home for the pet and raise it in a responsible manner. Upon purchase of a dog, make owners sign a contract at that moment assuming responsibility for all the Dog's actions in the future. This would not affect 90% of the great dog owners who only want a family pet and a companion. This would possibly weed out the people who wish to raise aggressive dogs.

Many responsible breeders screen potential owners, why can't all dog owners be screened like that?
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Same could be said for ownership regarding children.... :(
 
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