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I read your Sandman thread-starter before the Great Book Forum Crash of '02.
You basically said that you were quite new to comics and had enjoyed Neil Gaiman's work - which has a certain reputation as The Comic for People Who Don't Read Comics. It means that in a good way, but I often feel that - through no fault of its own - there is an implicit suggestion that it is the exception that proves the rule. Which isn't true. Maybe we can have a stab at showing that in this part of The Forum.
Still, you'd have to go a long way to find even a die-hard comics purist who wouldn't have something good to say about The Sandman. Even if it were just to comment that Gaiman's got a big reference library and knows how to use it.
I've been a comics reader for years. (Shuffles feet and glances around sheepishly.)
Before I actually point you in the direction I think you might want to go, there are a couple of questions I'd like to ask.
1) What kind of books - regular book books, I mean - do you like to read? What genre(s) appeal?
2) Where are you based in the world? (I'm not just being nosy. It's actually pretty important in terms of what you can get and where you can find it, especially if...)
3) By 'comics' you really mean 'comics collections' - what are referred to as Trade Paperbacks (and sometimes, erroneously, as Graphic Novels). TP's are collected editions of material that was previously published in single issue serial form, usually on a monthly schedule. I'm guessing you read The Sandman in TP form - there are about nine that make up the whole thing, I think (plus a few related titles).
By the way, hello. I'm Tobytook and I'll be your pilot today, so please make sure you read all about what to do in case of an emergency.
You basically said that you were quite new to comics and had enjoyed Neil Gaiman's work - which has a certain reputation as The Comic for People Who Don't Read Comics. It means that in a good way, but I often feel that - through no fault of its own - there is an implicit suggestion that it is the exception that proves the rule. Which isn't true. Maybe we can have a stab at showing that in this part of The Forum.
Still, you'd have to go a long way to find even a die-hard comics purist who wouldn't have something good to say about The Sandman. Even if it were just to comment that Gaiman's got a big reference library and knows how to use it.
I've been a comics reader for years. (Shuffles feet and glances around sheepishly.)
Before I actually point you in the direction I think you might want to go, there are a couple of questions I'd like to ask.
1) What kind of books - regular book books, I mean - do you like to read? What genre(s) appeal?
2) Where are you based in the world? (I'm not just being nosy. It's actually pretty important in terms of what you can get and where you can find it, especially if...)
3) By 'comics' you really mean 'comics collections' - what are referred to as Trade Paperbacks (and sometimes, erroneously, as Graphic Novels). TP's are collected editions of material that was previously published in single issue serial form, usually on a monthly schedule. I'm guessing you read The Sandman in TP form - there are about nine that make up the whole thing, I think (plus a few related titles).
By the way, hello. I'm Tobytook and I'll be your pilot today, so please make sure you read all about what to do in case of an emergency.
Hey Tobytook,
First of all, thanks for replying again!
Now... Given the fact I was (and still am?) one of the People Who Don't Read Comics, I thought the Sandman would be as good a place as any to start. With absolutely no "comical" history, I just trusted on my friend (she's got a minor obsession with Sandman and Witchblade) to show me the path to salvation. And it worked; I'm eager for more!
I think what I liked the most about the Sandman (and the Death-"series") was the way Gaiman created something totally new to me that seemed so familiar at the same time, the references and layers in the story... and of course the drawing skills of the illustrators!
I've tried to answer your questions:
1) I prefer historical, mythological and fantasy books to thrillers and horror and such, but I try to keep an open mind about all of this. If someone recommends me something, I try to look into it, whatever the genre may be...
2) I'm from Belgium (that little triangle accross the Channel) I actually updated my profile after the Great Book Forum Crash of '02.
3) I've read parts of the Sandman in "single issue serial form" as you call it, but as that got a bit too expensive for me (for now -- I'm trying to keep as much money in my pocket as possible, so I'll be able to buy some more next time I walk into the store), I went to the library and got me the ones in Trade Paperback form as well.
I don't know what's available in Belgium and what not, but I think most comic book stores would be able to get me at least some things, or I could order them? Either way, I'm anxiously waiting for your suggestions, Cap!
First of all, thanks for replying again!
Now... Given the fact I was (and still am?) one of the People Who Don't Read Comics, I thought the Sandman would be as good a place as any to start. With absolutely no "comical" history, I just trusted on my friend (she's got a minor obsession with Sandman and Witchblade) to show me the path to salvation. And it worked; I'm eager for more!
I think what I liked the most about the Sandman (and the Death-"series") was the way Gaiman created something totally new to me that seemed so familiar at the same time, the references and layers in the story... and of course the drawing skills of the illustrators!
I've tried to answer your questions:
1) I prefer historical, mythological and fantasy books to thrillers and horror and such, but I try to keep an open mind about all of this. If someone recommends me something, I try to look into it, whatever the genre may be...
2) I'm from Belgium (that little triangle accross the Channel) I actually updated my profile after the Great Book Forum Crash of '02.
3) I've read parts of the Sandman in "single issue serial form" as you call it, but as that got a bit too expensive for me (for now -- I'm trying to keep as much money in my pocket as possible, so I'll be able to buy some more next time I walk into the store), I went to the library and got me the ones in Trade Paperback form as well.
I don't know what's available in Belgium and what not, but I think most comic book stores would be able to get me at least some things, or I could order them? Either way, I'm anxiously waiting for your suggestions, Cap!
Right, sorry this has taken so long for me to get back. Real life: what a pain it can be sometimes.
Okay, where were we?
So you started with a winner, it's fair to say. (Although I'm not sure how easily Witchblade sits alongside it. That's a matter for your friend to justify.)
Having written that, I think it's important to remember that a crucial part of what sets a comic apart from a novel is the art.
The Sandman features some very good art, and Gaiman demonstrated many creative ideas for it - especially as he is no artist himself - as well as allowing many of his collaborators to flex their artistic imagination. However, the early colouring techniques leave a lot to be desired. And the fact that initial pencil artist Sam Kieth wasn't comfortable with the genre really shows. And having to switch artists in mid-storyline (which happens a lot in comics on monthly schedules, for many reasons) really hurt the atmospheric integrity, especially in the first and second story arcs. Story-wise, the entire A Game Of You story line is, I feel, the weakest in the whole series. Paradoxically, it signals the point at which the artwork started to really come together. What I'm saying is that there are flaws in the design and the execution of The Sandman, and it should not be considered the yardstick by which all others are measured.
(In comics, by the way, no matter what the style, illustration is pretty much always called "art". It's not putting on airs, or dressing mutton up as lamb - euphemisms for referring to something as better than it is really. It's just the tradition.)
Pictures that visually describe a story are the simplest form of comics art. For example, the caption reads "Superman punched the alien, catapulting it through the solid steel door." The panel shows Superman doing exactly that. (I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It's often exactly what's needed.)
Art can and is used in many other more sophisticated ways, though. I'm not about to make this post a massive lecture on that subject ( "Thank God!" you cry) so instead I'll just ask you to take it on faith. If you don't feel like taking my word for it, then I'd suggest you visit and browse around scott mccloud's website. McCloud is reckoned by most to be one of the premier experts on the comics industry, and his two reference works, Understanding Comics and Reinventing Comics, are required reading for anyone who wants to better understand the medium. They are always in print, and you can order them from any comics shop if they are not already in stock.
Anyway, that's just how things are.
You'll probably find titles like Preacher and Swamp Thing from DC, as well as various Star Wars material from Dark Horse. You might even find revisionist superhero classics like The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen in the library. I'm not a big fan of the Star Wars stuff, but it's very popular. As for the others, I recommend them all without reservation. Except Preacher, which I recommend unless you are easily upset by graphic violence, profanity, sex, drugs and attacks on organised religion.
However, if you want more than a cursory view of what comics have to offer, you must venture into the dark domain of the comics shop.
It might be different on the continent, but here in the UK - despite the best attempts of some outlets to break it - the stereotypical image of comics shops as dingy, low-lit refuges of nerdy elitism is mirrored in reality. Think of the comics shop owner in The Simpsons and give him a British accent.
("D'oh!", you may well exclaim.)
Of course, the comics shops in Belgium may possibly be well-lit, scrupulously clean affairs, peopled with smiley-faced staff and friendly customers. I'm not putting any bets on it, but they might be!
Nevertheless, even if they're grot-pits, you'll find comics there - and that's all the reason you need for walking in.
And once you walk in, what do you look (or, if you're really brave, ask) for?
1) Age Of Bronze, written and illustrated by Eric Shanower. Published by Image Comics. The first story arc in this history of the Trojan Wars is available as a TP entitled A Thousand Ships.
2) Strangehaven, written and illustrated by Gary Spencer Millidge. Published by his own Abiogenesis Press. Two TPs have been collected so far: Arcadia and Brotherhood. It's a mystery drama with photo-realistic art and a story like a cross between TV classics The Prisoner and Twin Peaks.
3) Stray Bullets, written and illustrated by David Lapham. Published by his own El Capitan Press. Wicked crime drama collected so far in four TPs, Innocence Of Nihilism, Somewhere Out West and the next two... titles of which slip my mind (I collect it in single issues, you see!). My personal favourite comic of the 1990s.
4) Transmetropolitan, written by Warren Ellis, illustrated by Darick Robertson & Rodney Ramos. Published by DC Vertigo. (TPs probably available in your library, too.) Outlaw journalist Spider Jerusalem pursues The Truth about politics, race, technology and pretty much everything in the sleazy, nightmarish, blackly funny future. In its last year as a series now, fully collected from TPs starting with Back On The Street.
5) Bone, written and illustrated by Jeff Smith. Published by his own Cartoon Books. Continuing series, up to about eight TPs now - starting with Out From Boneville. This is the ultimate all-ages comic, which is (as Terry Gilliam wrote of Time Bandits ) "intelligent enough for kids and exciting enough for adults." The first collection also features one of the funniest and most famous jokes in comics history - and it only works with the picture and caption together, so I can't tell you here.
There you go. If you fancy something a bit more literary, there's always Cerebus or Jar Of Fools or Maus or any original graphic novel by Will Eisner. It sounds a bit patronising to say, but they are works that really need working up to. It's no exaggeration to say that the skill of reading a comic - really reading it properly - is one that requires practice.
Let me know how you get on. If you ask for any of the TPs I've mentioned and get told they're unavailable, by the way, it's not true, and it just means the staff can't be bothered. Just say you'll pay for it up front and ask them to order it from next month's Star System list. If you still meet resistance, tell me and I'll sort something out for you.
Tobytook
Okay, where were we?
Just so we're on the same page here, I should point out that I did enjoy The Sandman. And it's indeed a seminal work.
So you started with a winner, it's fair to say. (Although I'm not sure how easily Witchblade sits alongside it. That's a matter for your friend to justify.)
Having written that, I think it's important to remember that a crucial part of what sets a comic apart from a novel is the art.
The Sandman features some very good art, and Gaiman demonstrated many creative ideas for it - especially as he is no artist himself - as well as allowing many of his collaborators to flex their artistic imagination. However, the early colouring techniques leave a lot to be desired. And the fact that initial pencil artist Sam Kieth wasn't comfortable with the genre really shows. And having to switch artists in mid-storyline (which happens a lot in comics on monthly schedules, for many reasons) really hurt the atmospheric integrity, especially in the first and second story arcs. Story-wise, the entire A Game Of You story line is, I feel, the weakest in the whole series. Paradoxically, it signals the point at which the artwork started to really come together. What I'm saying is that there are flaws in the design and the execution of The Sandman, and it should not be considered the yardstick by which all others are measured.
(In comics, by the way, no matter what the style, illustration is pretty much always called "art". It's not putting on airs, or dressing mutton up as lamb - euphemisms for referring to something as better than it is really. It's just the tradition.)
Pictures that visually describe a story are the simplest form of comics art. For example, the caption reads "Superman punched the alien, catapulting it through the solid steel door." The panel shows Superman doing exactly that. (I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It's often exactly what's needed.)
Art can and is used in many other more sophisticated ways, though. I'm not about to make this post a massive lecture on that subject ( "Thank God!" you cry) so instead I'll just ask you to take it on faith. If you don't feel like taking my word for it, then I'd suggest you visit and browse around scott mccloud's website. McCloud is reckoned by most to be one of the premier experts on the comics industry, and his two reference works, Understanding Comics and Reinventing Comics, are required reading for anyone who wants to better understand the medium. They are always in print, and you can order them from any comics shop if they are not already in stock.
The fact that you were able to get The Sandman trade paperbacks (TPs) from a Belgian library makes me suspect that you will find the same range of collected materials there as you would in an equivalent UK library. I'm talking about the really popular comics published by the really big companies - DC, Marvel, Dark Horse and Image. In the UK, there are two or three specialist publishers (notably Titan Books) who have agreed licencing deals with those companies to reprint their originals for the book trade and libraries. That may sound odd, considering the originals are printed at virtually the same time and are available from specialist comics shops. The problem is in exactly that, however: comics publishers have exclusive contracts with a US company called Diamond Distributors, and Diamond only distributes to the direct market (i.e. specialist comics shops). There are other distributors but trust me, it's a long and twisted story as to how the situation came about, and I won't bore everyone with it here. Well, not unless you beg.
Anyway, that's just how things are.
You'll probably find titles like Preacher and Swamp Thing from DC, as well as various Star Wars material from Dark Horse. You might even find revisionist superhero classics like The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen in the library. I'm not a big fan of the Star Wars stuff, but it's very popular. As for the others, I recommend them all without reservation. Except Preacher, which I recommend unless you are easily upset by graphic violence, profanity, sex, drugs and attacks on organised religion.
However, if you want more than a cursory view of what comics have to offer, you must venture into the dark domain of the comics shop.
It might be different on the continent, but here in the UK - despite the best attempts of some outlets to break it - the stereotypical image of comics shops as dingy, low-lit refuges of nerdy elitism is mirrored in reality. Think of the comics shop owner in The Simpsons and give him a British accent.
("D'oh!", you may well exclaim.)
Of course, the comics shops in Belgium may possibly be well-lit, scrupulously clean affairs, peopled with smiley-faced staff and friendly customers. I'm not putting any bets on it, but they might be!
Nevertheless, even if they're grot-pits, you'll find comics there - and that's all the reason you need for walking in.
And once you walk in, what do you look (or, if you're really brave, ask) for?
Okay, here's a few gems to get you rolling - in no particular order. I feel safe in vouching for their quality. As for their content - well, that will always boil down to personal tastes. You can but give it a go.
1) Age Of Bronze, written and illustrated by Eric Shanower. Published by Image Comics. The first story arc in this history of the Trojan Wars is available as a TP entitled A Thousand Ships.
2) Strangehaven, written and illustrated by Gary Spencer Millidge. Published by his own Abiogenesis Press. Two TPs have been collected so far: Arcadia and Brotherhood. It's a mystery drama with photo-realistic art and a story like a cross between TV classics The Prisoner and Twin Peaks.
3) Stray Bullets, written and illustrated by David Lapham. Published by his own El Capitan Press. Wicked crime drama collected so far in four TPs, Innocence Of Nihilism, Somewhere Out West and the next two... titles of which slip my mind (I collect it in single issues, you see!). My personal favourite comic of the 1990s.
4) Transmetropolitan, written by Warren Ellis, illustrated by Darick Robertson & Rodney Ramos. Published by DC Vertigo. (TPs probably available in your library, too.) Outlaw journalist Spider Jerusalem pursues The Truth about politics, race, technology and pretty much everything in the sleazy, nightmarish, blackly funny future. In its last year as a series now, fully collected from TPs starting with Back On The Street.
5) Bone, written and illustrated by Jeff Smith. Published by his own Cartoon Books. Continuing series, up to about eight TPs now - starting with Out From Boneville. This is the ultimate all-ages comic, which is (as Terry Gilliam wrote of Time Bandits ) "intelligent enough for kids and exciting enough for adults." The first collection also features one of the funniest and most famous jokes in comics history - and it only works with the picture and caption together, so I can't tell you here.
There you go. If you fancy something a bit more literary, there's always Cerebus or Jar Of Fools or Maus or any original graphic novel by Will Eisner. It sounds a bit patronising to say, but they are works that really need working up to. It's no exaggeration to say that the skill of reading a comic - really reading it properly - is one that requires practice.
Let me know how you get on. If you ask for any of the TPs I've mentioned and get told they're unavailable, by the way, it's not true, and it just means the staff can't be bothered. Just say you'll pay for it up front and ask them to order it from next month's Star System list. If you still meet resistance, tell me and I'll sort something out for you.
Tobytook
The first store I went to didn't have what I needed, but there's a really great store in the city of Ghent, so I'm gonna jump on a train sometime and go on a shopping spree...
Speaking of aeroplanes: I've never seen the inside of the cabin of an aircraft before. Can I now, can I, can I? (Is my overexcitement too obvious?)
Speaking of aeroplanes: I've never seen the inside of the cabin of an aircraft before. Can I now, can I, can I? (Is my overexcitement too obvious?)
Ghent and the cockpit
There is only one comics shop in Belgium that is listed in the UK magazine Comics International. It's probably pretty big, though. You might be nowhere near Brussells but if you get really stuck, you could give them a ring. They might be able to send items by post.
Forbidden Zone 25 Rue de Tamines, 1060 Brussells (tel: 534 63 67)
As for a tour of the cockpit, you just drink your orange juice and eat up your peanuts, young lady. If I hear that you've been good and haven't been running in the aisles or worrying the flight attendants, then maybe we'll see.
Time to knock this metaphor on the head, I think
Tobytook
There is only one comics shop in Belgium that is listed in the UK magazine Comics International. It's probably pretty big, though. You might be nowhere near Brussells but if you get really stuck, you could give them a ring. They might be able to send items by post.
Forbidden Zone 25 Rue de Tamines, 1060 Brussells (tel: 534 63 67)
As for a tour of the cockpit, you just drink your orange juice and eat up your peanuts, young lady. If I hear that you've been good and haven't been running in the aisles or worrying the flight attendants, then maybe we'll see.
Time to knock this metaphor on the head, I think
Tobytook
Re: Ghent and the cockpit
) Problem with those shops in Brussels is that they usually refuse to speak Dutch, and my spoken French is... not that good. I'll first go to Ghent, take the easy way.
I live about 20 km from Brussels, so that would be doable. I've never heard of Rue de Tamines though, but I can probably look that up (I am a skilled woman
) Problem with those shops in Brussels is that they usually refuse to speak Dutch, and my spoken French is... not that good. I'll first go to Ghent, take the easy way.Darn, I was enjoying myself!As for a tour of the cockpit, you just drink your orange juice and eat up your peanuts, young lady. If I hear that you've been good and haven't been running in the aisles or worrying the flight attendants, then maybe we'll see.
Time to knock this metaphor on the head, I think
Spawn, eh? What else were you into before you got out of the comics scene?
Judging from your profile, you're pretty young, so you might have come to comics at a low point (creatively) in terms of the industry. I agree that it can be expensive if you get seriously involved, and there's a wealth of rubbish out there unless you know where to look (not necessarily including Spawn, especially its early stages).
Did you get disenchanted by the cost factor alone, or was there more (or less) to it?
Tobytook
Judging from your profile, you're pretty young, so you might have come to comics at a low point (creatively) in terms of the industry. I agree that it can be expensive if you get seriously involved, and there's a wealth of rubbish out there unless you know where to look (not necessarily including Spawn, especially its early stages).
Did you get disenchanted by the cost factor alone, or was there more (or less) to it?
Tobytook
As I said in a previous post I've just started getting interested in comics (mainly for the artwork).
Today I picked up Wolverine and Gambit 'Blood Debt Part 2' and Essential X-Men 'Two against the Neo' both from W.H. Smith.
I was also looking at one of the Sandman Graphic Novels in Waterstones and other GN's they had.
By the way I liked your post Tobytook.
I think there is a local comic shop in town where I live called Forbidden Planet and as Tobytook says it looks pretty dim-lit inside. I will have to check it out thought.
Today I picked up Wolverine and Gambit 'Blood Debt Part 2' and Essential X-Men 'Two against the Neo' both from W.H. Smith.
I was also looking at one of the Sandman Graphic Novels in Waterstones and other GN's they had.
By the way I liked your post Tobytook.
I think there is a local comic shop in town where I live called Forbidden Planet and as Tobytook says it looks pretty dim-lit inside. I will have to check it out thought.
I can't say that I've read every bit of this thread, but I can recommend both The Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns. In fact, I'm a fan of most of Frank Miller's work. I really liked what he did with Daredevil and Wolverine. (Watchmen isn't Miller.) Electra Assassin is another good one.
Beyond that . . . I grew up reading The Fantastic Four. I don't know how it is now, but back then comics were a great way to build vocabulary.
Beyond that . . . I grew up reading The Fantastic Four. I don't know how it is now, but back then comics were a great way to build vocabulary.
Return of the Mack
Well, long time no message.
Glad to see some of the members are still taking an interest in the comics section. And big ups to Funes for mentioning Elektra Assassin (forget about Jessica Wossname in the new film - a bland travesty of a psychologically fascinating character) as this is definitely one of the top projects of the last fifteen years - outside of Gaiman's stuff and the other more recognisable work (Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen etc).
Have you read Miller's sequel to Dark Knight by the way, Funes? Your thoughts, please.
Tobytook
Well, long time no message.
Glad to see some of the members are still taking an interest in the comics section. And big ups to Funes for mentioning Elektra Assassin (forget about Jessica Wossname in the new film - a bland travesty of a psychologically fascinating character) as this is definitely one of the top projects of the last fifteen years - outside of Gaiman's stuff and the other more recognisable work (Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen etc).
Have you read Miller's sequel to Dark Knight by the way, Funes? Your thoughts, please.
Tobytook
Hello all, 've been busy.
Hello lies,
I am slightly surprised you have some trouble finding comics around in Belgium (I am from the place as well though from the deadly boring quiet southern part ).
It might depend upon which kind you're after. Yet, in the style of more 'UK-US' stuff, ever tried the Moebius? Authors are French speaking, but being in GB, I have found them translated here i.e. Metabarons and John Difool (greatest comic anti-hero to me). Morgana, new stuff, is also quite good. There are also the Aquablue, but I do not know whether they have been translated. As for purely 'US-Uk' stuff, I had never seen much of it before getting in here and, even, there is not such an overwhelming presence of comics as in motherland - 2 or 3 shops, 1 specialised in my big big host town and almost nothing in the library which I found only after a while and word of mouth. I must however say I was not specially looking for 'it', having plenty of other choices.
Tricks from a southerner:
- Forbidden Planet in BXl definitely,
- Getting Comics International on a regular basis
- Boulevard du Midi (BXL): Packed with second hand bookshops - including one only of comics
- Musee de la BD..... (back of administration island and an isolated Horta art in the middle of modern ugliness), ~4-5 euros to visit, ~2 for accessing library and spending the day there.
- Is there an equivalent for the Slumberland brand of shops in the North? Could be worth trying, and asking the guy at the desk for specifics... you might create a local fashion as some people I know did with some series.
Back to work....
Hello from a happy exiled to motherland
Morry
Hello lies,
I am slightly surprised you have some trouble finding comics around in Belgium (I am from the place as well though from the deadly boring quiet southern part
).It might depend upon which kind you're after. Yet, in the style of more 'UK-US' stuff, ever tried the Moebius? Authors are French speaking, but being in GB, I have found them translated here i.e. Metabarons and John Difool (greatest comic anti-hero to me). Morgana, new stuff, is also quite good. There are also the Aquablue, but I do not know whether they have been translated. As for purely 'US-Uk' stuff, I had never seen much of it before getting in here and, even, there is not such an overwhelming presence of comics as in motherland - 2 or 3 shops, 1 specialised in my big big host town and almost nothing in the library which I found only after a while and word of mouth. I must however say I was not specially looking for 'it', having plenty of other choices.
Tricks from a southerner:
- Forbidden Planet in BXl definitely,
- Getting Comics International on a regular basis
- Boulevard du Midi (BXL): Packed with second hand bookshops - including one only of comics
- Musee de la BD..... (back of administration island and an isolated Horta art in the middle of modern ugliness), ~4-5 euros to visit, ~2 for accessing library and spending the day there.
- Is there an equivalent for the Slumberland brand of shops in the North? Could be worth trying, and asking the guy at the desk for specifics... you might create a local fashion as some people I know did with some series.
Back to work....
Hello from a happy exiled to motherland
Morry
Hollis
New Member
I enjoy reading comics/graphic novels. I never had up until this past year when I discovered the company, Crossgen. I loved some of the artwork and have since, gotten hooked on the comics themselves. Meridian, Scion, Sigil, Ruse, Crux, they've got a title for every person's taste! My avatar is actually from Meridian
Hello Hollis,
Welcome on the board. You got on one of the right racks for comics/graphic novels by Crossgen I would say. I got a couple of them - very different: modern post-medieval ages of supersentients and 2020ish military nationalist dystopia - a time ago and really enjoyed art and story for once, though the start was not always promising. Will come back to it ASAP real life yaknaw need a trip to the local Forbidden Planet
Morry
Welcome on the board. You got on one of the right racks for comics/graphic novels by Crossgen I would say. I got a couple of them - very different: modern post-medieval ages of supersentients and 2020ish military nationalist dystopia - a time ago and really enjoyed art and story for once, though the start was not always promising. Will come back to it ASAP real life yaknaw need a trip to the local Forbidden Planet
Morry