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Cruelty

Catalyst

Catalyst

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Im listening to radio 2 and they are having a discussion about cruelty to animals and the punishments being too harsh and a waste of our government money. The RSPCA have said animal cruelty has gone up in the past year by 80% and are asking for longer sentences. Also they say animal cruelty can be the first signs of people who will hurt other people.
A man got drunk and pulled the head off his parrot and got five and a half months in prison. People are saying that is far too harsh as it is just a parrot. However people also say a man who ran over a child got the same sentence. Should the law change for animal cruelty or for other crimes to humans? Are animals important enough to warrent jail time at all?
 
Catalyst said:
The RSPCA have said animal cruelty has gone up in the past year by 80% and are asking for longer sentences.
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The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain but when there is a cloud overhead, just one little cloud, then there is a problem because a cloud, and it doesn't matter how small, to the Spanish is an omen, from up on high, that the sun won't break through the azure sky to shine, as it regularly does, upon the plane, where rain mainly falls.

Or will the RSPCA find that too short too? :(
 
Wow. 5 1/2 months in prison for pulling the head off his parrot does seem a little harsh.
 
Is pulling the head of a parrot or throwing a cat against the wall or throwing a dog off a motorway bridge the same as the accidental knocking down of a child though?
 
Catalyst said:
Is pulling the head of a parrot or throwing a cat against the wall or throwing a dog off a motorway bridge the same as the accidental knocking down of a child though?
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One is intent and the other is an accident; they could never be the same.

I'd love to pull the head off a parrot though. I've known a few girls to do something similar with a cockatiel. ;)
 
Ppfhh thats not a job! Sittin on your arse all day. You should be up and about! Dont you get a sore bum lol :D

Well why have they got the same punishment then?

Bet those girls are popular..
 
Catalyst said:
Is pulling the head of a parrot or throwing a cat against the wall or throwing a dog off a motorway bridge the same as the accidental knocking down of a child though?
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I don't think it's harsh in the slightest. One is willful intent, the other accidental - they can not be compared.
 
Catalyst the problem we have in britain are the goverment ,which are far to soft when dishing out punishment of any kind,to people who have been cruel to animals or mass murders!
 
Ice said:
So they should bring back capital punishment.
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The only problem with that is after two years of being executed they'll bring them back to life on grounds of "good behaviour". :mad:
 
Ice capital punishment would not stop mass murders! There must be something in the genes of that person to make them do that!
 
ruby said:
Ice capital punishment would not stop mass murders! There must be something in the genes of that person to make them do that!
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No, I don't think so. I believe that was a popular theory at one time, isn't that why criminals were sent to Australia?
 
Ice said:
So they should bring back capital punishment.
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I don't think anybody has ever proved that capital punishment is an effective deterrent.

There should be punishment more befitting the crime. Perhaps fines and community service.
 
Cruelty to animals is usually a sign of psychological problems that can readily spill over in behavior toward people. I don't see how jail time helps, except that it separates the animal from the abuser. It seems obvious to me that a person who *really* abuses animals needs psychological help before they do something worse.

On the side topic, the death penalty in practice is disproportionally imposed on poor black uneducated men in the US. There is no guarantee that it will ever be 'fairly' implemented across the population. Furthermore, mistakes have been made with evidence in many cases. Also, mentally deficient people have been put to death in many cases, most recently this year in Texas.

Putting someone on death row costs the taxpayers about three times as much as giving a life sentence (primarily because of the long appeals process). It is not a deterrent at all. A lot of killers are borderline suicidal and they really don't care about the consequences. The guy they just put to death in Connecticut was begging for it and said that it was his ultimate goal. I

Basically, it's a barbaric, fallible practice.

What are the advantages to society of the death penalty?
 
novella said:
On the side topic, the death penalty in practice is disproportionally imposed on poor black uneducated men in the US.
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It's not as bad as it used to be. If you want to look at disproportionate numbers, look at the odds of a man being given death for a crime verses a women getting death for the same crime.

I don't care for the death penalty either. CIt was reintroduced in this country as a deterrent, but I think statistics show that isn't so. I can't help but thing that there are probably animal rights groups that would advocate the death penalty for cruelty to animals. The very idea makes sick.

Fines and community service is a good start. Psychological help wouldn't help either.
 
Catalyst said:
Im listening to radio 2 and they are having a discussion about cruelty to animals and the punishments being too harsh and a waste of our government money. The RSPCA have said animal cruelty has gone up in the past year by 80% and are asking for longer sentences. Also they say animal cruelty can be the first signs of people who will hurt other people.
A man got drunk and pulled the head off his parrot and got five and a half months in prison. People are saying that is far too harsh as it is just a parrot. However people also say a man who ran over a child got the same sentence. Should the law change for animal cruelty or for other crimes to humans? Are animals important enough to warrent jail time at all?
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So if a deer wanders out in front of your vehicle that is blazing along at 80 mph, is it commiting suicide? Why aren't the animal rights activists upset at this? We need counseling for animals. :p
 
Heh, you never know. The deer may be having major problems...stress from the hunters coming after her....the kids playing up...husband left her for 10 other deer lol.
That would be classed as an accident though. Same as a driver running over a person.
 
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