Kenny Shovel
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It does seem a reasonable appraoch to take, far better than here. However I think we're already beyond the point of no return.Puddleglum said:
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Differences; N American & European sport teams (split from Ice Hockey)
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Kenny Shovel
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Robert said:
So the 'rookies' sign CBA which binds them to league and states they will take part in draft system. Clubs sign their own agreement with league stating they will abide by league rules including draft. These are legally binding. No one attempts to break out of this by setting up there own league as the clubs arn't that powerful.
Robert
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It is worth noting that when a player’s contract expires, whether he's a restricted free agent or an unrestricted free agent, that other clubs can try to bring that player over by offering him more money. When a player is a restricted free agent, the club that owns their rights only has to match the offer made by the other club. Under the old CBA, if a restricted free agent was taken by another club, then the club that lost the player received compensation in the form of additional draft picks. I don't know what the deal is the new CBA. Trying to buy an unrestricted free agent is frowned upon, so it doesn't happen very often. I believe it's essentially a gentleman's agreement.
Kenny Shovel
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Hard to think of an example of that in Soccer! Ok thanks, I think I got the info I wanted. System works because power lies with league not rich clubs.Robert said:
Motokid
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As far as entry level draft goes they are all about the same. It is for the common good of all sports to make sure that the worst teams in the leagues have the ability to sign the best new players, and not allow the teams with the highest dollars to sweep up all the available talent.
I think baseball is now the only sport in America without a salary cap of some sort. It's time will come too I'm sure.
I think baseball is now the only sport in America without a salary cap of some sort. It's time will come too I'm sure.
clueless
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I was trying to find out if that type of agreement works because there is not so much money in hockey as in those other sports or if it is because you have a college league and we don't or none of those reasons.
If it's the first reason, it won't work for soccer but it can work for other sports, like hockey itself. If it's the second, there is no hope for us.
If it's the first reason, it won't work for soccer but it can work for other sports, like hockey itself. If it's the second, there is no hope for us.
clueless
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Do you mean ice hockey competing leagues? Yes, but I don't know if league is the proper name for it when it's made of so few teams. The problem is there are not enough places where kids can learn and get into it. That's why other types of hockey are more popular. You can play anywhere.
Motokid
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Here might be part of the confusion...the "N" in NHL, NFL, NBA is for National...these leagues are national here in America. Even in a country as large as the USA there really isn't enough room for more than one National league.
National Hockey League
National Football league
National Basketball League
Baseball is MLB for Major League Baseball, but you are still talking about a National League....
These teams, owners, and players are all part of specific unions that mandate being a part of a "national system" that is strictly controlled by all the major players in the leagues.
National Hockey League
National Football league
National Basketball League
Baseball is MLB for Major League Baseball, but you are still talking about a National League....
These teams, owners, and players are all part of specific unions that mandate being a part of a "national system" that is strictly controlled by all the major players in the leagues.
Kenny Shovel
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As clueless isn’t online at the moment, I’ll try and answer this for you.
The structure of soccer leagues in England is as follows:
There are four professional leagues which used to be called Division 1 (20 teams), Division 2 (24 teams), Division 3 (24 teams) and Division 4 (24 teams), giving a total of 92 professional clubs. There are countless non-professional leagues below this.
The leagues have been re-named over the last few years (the top league now being called ‘The Premiership’ for example) but the structure remains roughly the same. They are all under the control of the FA (Football Association), and are organised in a hierarchical manner with promotion and relegation each season. For example the bottom three teams in the Premiership are relegated each year, and three come up form the league below; the top two teams in that league automatically, with the teams in positions 3-6 playing a series of games called ‘the playoffs’ to qualify for the third spot.
Obviously everyone is trying to get their team into the top league as this is where the money is. It’s here where you play clubs like Manchester Utd, which you may of heard of (they are apparently the richest sports franchise in the world and were recently bought by an American, Michael Glazier, who the fans have decided to hate).
The clubs play each other once home and away each season, giving 38 league games a year in the Premiership and 46 in the other leagues. In addition there are two Cup competitions organised on a knock-out basis, the main one being the FA Cup which is the oldest such football competition in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup).
There is a similar structure to this in Scotland, although the leagues are not as strong; the Premiership in England is one of the top leagues in the world along with Seria A in Italy and ‘La Leagua’ in Spain.
The top few clubs in the Premiership also qualify to play in one of the two European wide cup competitions, where they play teams from Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Russian, Ukraine, Turkey etc. Again this is the target for many clubs as playing European football really brings in the money, with a guarantee of at least 6 games going up to 13 if you reach the final. It may not sound like much, but millions can be made for each match if you take into account the TV rights, plus the inter country aspect gives the games an extra buzz to the atmosphere.
On that last point, here's a question for American sports fans. Do you think you miss out on international games? Over here we get to watch the England Soccer team play about ten times a year, with every other summer having either the World cup or the European championships. Rugby we have 6 or 7 games a year. Cricket we have England playing almost all summer.
But I look at American sport and get the feeling that you miss out on that. Is that how you lot feel or are you happy to follow your club team and don't really feel you're missing out?
The structure of soccer leagues in England is as follows:
There are four professional leagues which used to be called Division 1 (20 teams), Division 2 (24 teams), Division 3 (24 teams) and Division 4 (24 teams), giving a total of 92 professional clubs. There are countless non-professional leagues below this.
The leagues have been re-named over the last few years (the top league now being called ‘The Premiership’ for example) but the structure remains roughly the same. They are all under the control of the FA (Football Association), and are organised in a hierarchical manner with promotion and relegation each season. For example the bottom three teams in the Premiership are relegated each year, and three come up form the league below; the top two teams in that league automatically, with the teams in positions 3-6 playing a series of games called ‘the playoffs’ to qualify for the third spot.
Obviously everyone is trying to get their team into the top league as this is where the money is. It’s here where you play clubs like Manchester Utd, which you may of heard of (they are apparently the richest sports franchise in the world and were recently bought by an American, Michael Glazier, who the fans have decided to hate).
The clubs play each other once home and away each season, giving 38 league games a year in the Premiership and 46 in the other leagues. In addition there are two Cup competitions organised on a knock-out basis, the main one being the FA Cup which is the oldest such football competition in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup).
There is a similar structure to this in Scotland, although the leagues are not as strong; the Premiership in England is one of the top leagues in the world along with Seria A in Italy and ‘La Leagua’ in Spain.
The top few clubs in the Premiership also qualify to play in one of the two European wide cup competitions, where they play teams from Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Russian, Ukraine, Turkey etc. Again this is the target for many clubs as playing European football really brings in the money, with a guarantee of at least 6 games going up to 13 if you reach the final. It may not sound like much, but millions can be made for each match if you take into account the TV rights, plus the inter country aspect gives the games an extra buzz to the atmosphere.
On that last point, here's a question for American sports fans. Do you think you miss out on international games? Over here we get to watch the England Soccer team play about ten times a year, with every other summer having either the World cup or the European championships. Rugby we have 6 or 7 games a year. Cricket we have England playing almost all summer.
But I look at American sport and get the feeling that you miss out on that. Is that how you lot feel or are you happy to follow your club team and don't really feel you're missing out?
pwilson
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Kenny Shovel said:
If I understand your question right, you're asking if we miss seeing our teams compete internationally. Concerning hockey, recently the Olympics have served as more of an international stage for the various NHL players where they can each represent their country. The most recent Olympics was considered by many to be some of the best hockey in a long while. There is also some inter-country rivalry in that there are teams from the U.S. and Canada represented in the NHL. To be honest though, rivalries develop between teams regardless of where they're from. Two of Colorado's biggest rivals are Detroit and Vancouver and both developed out of events that ocurred on the ice, not due to geographic location. So to summarize my long-winded answer, I guess I'm happy the way it is and don't really feel like I'm missing out.
Robert
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Kenny Shovel said:
We miss out on some things. We don't get to see a lot of International Hockey for instance. We do get plenty of Football (Soccer) if we have the right sports packages. I can get Barclays English Premier League and Setanta Sports from Directv. We also get some games on HDNET.
Kenny Shovel
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Firstly I am making an assumption that the major North American team sports are Baseball, Basketball, American Football and Ice Hockey, correct me if I’m wrong.pwilson said:
What I’m asking is if you feel you are missing out on seeing those sports being played at an international rather than domestic level.
I would say that there are a number of ways that International competition differs from domestic, quality of play is one.pwilson said:
In some sports like Cricket & Rugby the standard of play is much higher at international level as even the best players tend to play in their own countries and therefore the concentrating of the best talent only happens at International level. Soccer on the other hand works slightly differently as the best players from all over the world tend to be concentrated in the big, rich, 12-20 European clubs. This is to the extent where a European cup game like Manchester Utd v Barcelona or Bayern Munich v AC Milan will have the kind of quality players on show you would normally only find in the top dozen or so international teams.
Obviously for the American sports upping the quality of play isn’t an issue as the best players are already found in your leagues anyway. At least I’m guessing they are.
Another difference is the atmosphere surrounding them. I’ll take an obvious example in the Soccer World cup. Now in England, and I’m sure it’s the same in other countries, the World cup tends to totally dominate the cultural landscape for its duration and indeed for a month or so running up to it. Soccer takes over the front pages of papers as well as back, it’s what people talk about at work, all of a sudden the national flag is appearing in people’s windows, and on their cars etc. I guess it’s a bit like if the super bowl lasted for two months, except everyone is pulling for the same team; and obviously there is a different buzz as you’re taking on other countries. All of which is nice for sports fans, but a pain in the arse for the poor sods who aren’t interested.
Finally, I’d also say that for some sports you’ll find that there are different attitudes and tactics used depending on the country. In Soccer you’ll find that the Brazilian style (lets juggle with the ball for no apparent reason) is much more attacking than say the Italian team (lets score once then build a brick wall in front of our goal). The Germans use a strong team ethic whilst the Dutch prefer the opportunity to express their Individuality (to the point where they try and beat the crap out of each other on the training field).
In Cricket the differences are even greater as the game is heavily influenced by conditions like the weather and the playing surface itself. As the game is played in areas of the world where these conditions can be quite different, England, West Indies, Indian Subcontinent, Australia, Southern Africa etc, this lends to different skills being more developed by players depending on where they learnt the game. A game between India and Pakistan in Calcutta is going to be played differently than a England v Australia game in Leeds. Obviously the India v Pakistan game also has huge political significance as well.
Anyway, I’ve droned on enough. My point was that for the team sports we play in England the international games are different but complementary events to the domestic ones. Obviously with most of your sports being mainly played in North America (Ice Hockey aside) I feel that you miss out on that side of team sport. I just wondered if you felt the same or if it’s a case of you don’t miss what you’ve never had?