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Do You Believe...?

Peder said:
And PS, Aqua, just to clarify my earlier post with some answers to the questions I raised, and to respond to your questions.

I don't have any reason to doubt that some people actually have such mental images at the threshold of death.

But, I do rather severly doubt that they have anything to do with so-called life after death.

So, they make no difference to me.
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You know, I actually feel the same; and I couldn't of said it better. BUT...I do not know about this one mystery though. It's a gut thing and not a science thing. I know I shouldn't, mustn't, rely upon gut feelings - it's illogical (totally). The mind in itself is a vast mystery so it's hard to put my finger on it. And I say this as an agnostic (true blue; and all the way), so go figure.
 
Pontiac,
I think you will enjoy reading some of the books by Sylvia Browne, John Edward, James Van Pragh, etc. They all have similar explanations for Near Death Experiences.
 
SFG75 said:
What do you mean by this?
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Well, there is no place to plant my feet. No reference point. No nothing. Just a gut feeling that it could be true. I can't explain it guys: not even to myself. It's a true mystery. I think that it is the brain shutting down at death - no question. Yet many folks have experienced the same visions. That is the curve ball I have trouble with.
 
Aqua-Pontiac. This may help. I recently spoke to a very good friend of the family that I have known since I was a little kid. He had a medical emergency a year or so ago. He literally keeled over at a casino in Vegas (he lives there, he goes to casinos frequently.) He says he believes he had an experience like you mention. In a nut shell, he felt sick, he blacked out, he suddenly was walking down a road at night until he came to a door, and yes, it had a light behind it shining through to his side. He got there and he swears he felt like there were other people, relatives who had passed that were waiting on the other side of this door. He stopped and thought, no not yet, and regained consciousness. He was in the hospital and he was told that he was "gone" for a few minutes. So, who knows. It's possible.

If I didn't know him for 30 some odd years, I'd think he was a nut. I don't. He doesn't drink, has no mental illnesses that anyone knows of. Isn't very religious. Just a normal guy who doesn't indulge in attention seeking behaviors. I don't believe in many people with these stories but I believe him. How does that work for you?:cool:
 
I do know what it means. a naturalist, evolutionist, natural selection. from fish to human over hundreds of millions of years. I read Dawkin, Coyne, etc. Now I have only leaned on this scientific for about a year so i am young but I love biology and darwin. Anything else?
 
Pontiac said:
Well, there is no place to plant my feet. No reference point. No nothing. Just a gut feeling that it could be true. I can't explain it guys: not even to myself. It's a true mystery. I think that it is the brain shutting down at death - no question. Yet many folks have experienced the same visions. That is the curve ball I have trouble with.
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[sarcasm]Yeah because people are in no way open to suggestion, and people don't think about their lost loved ones when they are in a precarious state themselves.[/sarcasm]

Imagine, you've gone to all the trouble of following the white light, and then your relatives pop up and tell you it's not your time and you have to go back. I would be suspicious. If Heaven is so wonderful then why are they trying to keep me out of it? The scoundrels.
 
eclair said:
[sarcasm]Yeah because people are in no way open to suggestion, and people don't think about their lost loved ones when they are in a precarious state themselves.[/sarcasm]

Imagine, you've gone to all the trouble of following the white light, and then your relatives pop up and tell you it's not your time and you have to go back. I would be suspicious. If Heaven is so wonderful then why are they trying to keep me out of it? The scoundrels.
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:lol::lol:

AB ,there are penalties for spamming my inbox.:whistling:
 
No. I would NEVER advertise (spam). I was inviting you and those I pm'd to visit my Facebook page. Would you guys want me to erase the link in my sig? My objective was pure.
 
Don't ask. :(

I'm hard-headed huh? Can't take NO for an answer. I will NOT try that again. It was a bone head move. How they figured me out I don't know...but they did. Ooh well. That gangrene (green) is a pestilence and I will totally forget about those guys any longer. I exclude members here in BAR how happen to be members in Palimpsest - that goes without saying. Why should I attend a board where I am NOT welcomed? I have closed the door on them so why try any longer. Right Libra?
 
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