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Favorite Poem Project

Mile-O-Phile said:
Get into poetry girl. Get into it NOW!
This would only scare me away. An analogy: I used to show boxers (dogs – not pugilists or underpants). The more I learned about how they should look, the more I found fault. I began to look at a dog and judge its overshot jaw, lay of shoulder, brindling. I could no longer look at the dog and see only the companionship in his eyes, or the wag of his tail.

I don’t want to spoil poetry in the same way. I don’t want to be hunting for sonnets and iambs, consonance and assonance. I enjoy the single words, the lines, the reading between the lines ;)

Btw. I’ve had this fight before. Isn’t alliteration recurrence of the same initial sound?

If you are going to taunt me with words, Mile-O :cool: ; you must taunt me with precision ;)

Third Man Girl
 
Although I think a general understanding of poetry is helpful in the appreciation of some poems, and certainly necessary if you are writing poetry, if a poem makes you feel something, THAT is the most important thing and everything else is secondary. I've always liked what Emily Dickinson wrote:

“If I read a book and it makes my whole body so cold no fire ever can warm me I know that is poetry. If I feel physically as if the top of my head were taken off I know that is poetry. These are the only ways I know of.”

:)
 
tugger said:
and certainly necessary if you are writing poetry,

Oh, goody. Our first tiff. :)

Well, you claimed to like my poetry. And I didn't 'generally understand' what I was doing. Were you winding me up? *small fists raised* :mad:

Third Man Girl
 
[/quote]Well, you claimed to like my poetry. And I didn't 'generally understand' what I was doing. Were you winding me up? *small fists raised* [/quote]


Whoa, "small fists" down, girl! :D

No tiff. I DO like your poetry. I think it's great. I would never lead you, or anyone else, on about that. But I think you DO have a general understanding of poetry. Just from your posts on this board I think it shows. Probably more than you think. Plus, I think certain people, especially people who read a lot and write (as you certainly do) have an inate sense of language and how to make it work for you.

So there. :p Still angry?

Hey, that was fun, that tiff. ;)
 
third man girl said:
Isn’t alliteration recurrence of the same initial sound?

If you are going to taunt me with words, Mile-O :cool: ; you must taunt me with precision ;)

Usually the same letter will have the same sound - you know what I mean. i.e. Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled pepper
 
Mile-O-Phile said:
Usually the same letter will have the same sound - you know what I mean. i.e. Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled pepper

Yes. But don't fail to forget Phyllis, the phenomenally fat fairy :)

Third Man Girl
 
Poetry is like Classical music, or visual art, you can enjoy it on so many levels. You can say, "I like this, don't know why, it's just good." Or you can study it, pick apart the details, appreciate its skill. At some point, you can do both at once, love its beauty and appreciate its skill, but it takes awhile of working through the details until you get there.

Having the vocabulary to describe it doesn't make the words roll off your tongue any differently, but it does make it easier to discuss with others. And in your own poetry, if you can critique other poets and find what you like, it may help you during the editing process. But everyone creates differently, so it may not help you at all.

I'm not much of a Burns fan myself, I always put it down to not being Scottish. But I love Scotch, so that must be faulty reasoning. I wonder if I have any Bowmore left . . .

Poets I love: Millay, Seamus Heaney, Keats, Gerard Manley Hopkins, John Donne, both Brownings, Tennyson.
 
A few of my favorites - simple but thoughtful

Zzzzzzz

I awake !

Is it a quake ?

A Lion’s roar ?

No, for Pete’s sake

It’s only a snore !

------------

CHATTER

Words - the second most valuable form of
communication.
Body Language must warrant first place.
The wink of an eye, a nod, a grin
the grammar of the face.
A vocabulary of body movements
universal to everyone.

Words are too easily misinterpreted
by ignorance or intent.
Whether domestic, foreign or sign language
communique
Just roll your eyes, you've said all
you need to say.
A shrug of the shoulder, a flip of the hand,
message clearly sent.

The Grand Prize however neither goes to
unspoken or expressive word.
And although it should make no sense
The most powerful communication of all
is that of primitive silence.

-----------------

IF YOU IF ME

If all the space were to be removed
from you, from me, from every molecule,
We’d all be one, on the head of a pin.
No beginning, no end, the point where we begin.

If there were no you, there’d be no me
So simple, so basic, so true, can’t you see
We all are as one, and as it must be.
The Creator, the world; not just you,
and not just me.

If you were alone, who’d recognize you.
You wouldn’t exist and I’d be alone too.
We all are as one from beginning to end,
with no space between, melted together,
we blend.

If you hate me, you hate you.
At peace with me, at peace with you.
Treat me as you treat you.
No space separating one from the other
on the head of a pin, forever together.

If you, If me
No you, No me
Just one, Just we.

-------------

Whimsy

It might sound somewhat insane
that a little nonsense clears my brain.

Day by day too much stress – just give me a little silliness.

Levity goes a long long way to bring clarity to my day.

Cobwebs in my mind are lifted away I find
simply by a wacky rhythm.

I don’t care for slapstick or watching someone fall.
I don’t care to see someone hurt, don’t care for that at all.
I see no gain in someone else’s pain.

So give me nonsense
meaningless. . .senseless. . .folderol
I just want it all.

Nonsensical whimsy goofy wacky zany
cockamamie ludicrously absurd
the more preposterously ridiculous
the better. Just call me a nerd.

It has been awhile since someone made me smile.
Silly nilly puns are fun.
Distort a word or image and the fun has just begun.
 
Something For the Touts, the Nuns, the Grocery Clerks, and You
by Charles Bukowski

we have everything and we have nothing
and some men do it in churches
and some men do it by tearing butterflies
in half
and some men do it in Palm Springs
laying it into butterblondes
with Cadillac souls
Cadillacs and butterflies
nothing and everything,
the face melting down to the last puff
in a cellar in Corpus Christi.
there's something for the touts, the nuns,
the grocery clerks and you . . .
something at 8 a.m., something in the library
something in the river,
everything and nothing.
in the slaughterhouse it comes running along
the ceiling on a hook, and you swing it --
one
two
three
and then you've got it, $200 worth of dead
meat, its bones against your bones
something and nothing.
it's always early enough to die and
it's always too late,
and the drill of blood in the basin white
it tells you nothing at all
and the gravediggers playing poker over
5 a.m. coffee, waiting for the grass
to dismiss the frost . . .
they tell you nothing at all.

we have everything and we have nothing --
days with glass edges and the impossible stink
of river moss -- worse than shit;
checkerboard days of moves and countermoves,
fagged interest, with as much sense in defeat as
in victory; slow days like mules
humping it slagged and sullen and sun-glazed
up a road where a madman sits waiting among
bluejays and wrens netted in and sucked a flakey
grey.
good days too of wine and shouting, fights
in alleys, fat legs of women striving around
your bowels buried in moans,
the signs in bullrings like diamonds hollering
Mother Capri, violets coming out of the ground
telling you to forget the dead armies and the loves
that robbed you.
days when children say funny and brilliant things
like savages trying to send you a message through
their bodies while their bodies are still
alive enough to transmit and feel and run up
and down without locks and paychecks and
ideals and possessions and beetle-like
opinions.
days when you can cry all day long in
a green room with the door locked, days
when you can laugh at the breadman
because his legs are too long, days
of looking at hedges . . .

and nothing, and nothing, the days of
the bosses, yellow men
with bad breath and big feet, men
who look like frogs, hyenas, men who walk
as if melody had never been invented, men
who think it is intelligent to hire and fire and
profit, men with expensive wives they possess
like 60 acres of ground to be drilled
or shown-off or to be walled away from
the incompetent, men who'd kill you
because they're crazy and justify it because
it's the law, men who stand in front of
windows 30 feet wide and see nothing,
men with luxury yachts who can sail around
the world and yet never get out of their vest
pockets, men like snails, men like eels, men
like slugs, and not as good . . .
and nothing, getting your last paycheck
at a harbor, at a factory, at a hospital, at an
aircraft plant, at a penny arcade, at a
barbershop, at a job you didn't want
anyway.
income tax, sickness, servility, broken
arms, broken heads -- all the stuffing
come out like an old pillow.

we have everything and we have nothing.
some do it well enough for a while and
then give way. fame gets them or disgust
or age or lack of proper diet or ink
across the eyes or children in college
or new cars or broken backs while skiing
in Switzerland or new politics or new wives
or just natural change and decay --
the man you knew yesterday hooking
for ten rounds or drinking for three days and
three nights by the Sawtooth mountains now
just something under a sheet or a cross
or a stone or under an easy delusion,
or packing a bible or a golf bag or a
briefcase: how they go, how they go! -- all
the ones you thought would never go.

days like this. like your day today.
maybe the rain on the window trying to
get through to you. what do you see today?
what is it? where are you? the best
days are sometimes the first, sometimes
the middle and even sometimes the last.
the vacant lots are not bad, churches in
Europe on postcards are not bad. people in
wax museums frozen into their best sterility
are not bad, horrible but not bad. the
cannon, think of the cannon, and toast for
breakfast the coffee hot enough you
know your tongue is still there, three
geraniums outside a window, trying to be
red and trying to be pink and trying to be
geraniums, no wonder sometimes the women
cry, no wonder the mules don't want
to go up the hill. are you in a hotel room
in Detroit looking for a cigarette? one more
good day. a little bit of it. and as
the nurses come out of the building after
their shift, having had enough, eight nurses
with different names and different places
to go -- walking across the lawn, some of them
want cocoa and a paper, some of them want a
hot bath, some of them want a man, some
of them are hardly thinking at all. enough
and not enough. arcs and pilgrims, oranges
gutters, ferns, antibodies, boxes of
tissue paper.

in the most decent sometimes sun
there is the softsmoke feeling from urns
and the canned sound of old battleplanes
and if you go inside and run your finger
along the window ledge you'll find
dirt, maybe even earth.
and if you look out the window
there will be the day, and as you
get older you'll keep looking
keep looking
sucking your tongue in a little
ah ah no no maybe

some do it naturally
some obscenely
everywhere.
 
aube

I embraced the summer dawn.

nothing yet stirred on the face of the palaces. the water is dead. the
shadows still camped in the woodland road. I walked, waking quick warm
breaths; and gems looked on, and wings rose without a sound.

the first venture was, in a path already filled with fresh, pale gleams,
a flower who told me her name.

I laughed at the blond waterfall that tousled through the pines: on the
silver summit I recognized the goddess.

then, one by one, I lifted up her veils. in the lane, waving my arms.
across the plain, where I notified the cock. in the city, she fled among
the steeples and the domes; and running like a beggar on the marble
quays, I chased her.

above the road near a laurel wood, I wrapped her up in gathered veils,
and I felt a little her immense body. dawn and the child fell down at the
edge of the wood.

waking, it was noon.

--arthur rimbaud
 
Thank you for this, Mr. Burns. It is very timely. Do you mind if I borrow it and move it to another thread? Please and Thank you? Good! :)

Irene Wilde
 
well, kinda ... the first time I read it I thought he was chasing a girl, then when he woke she was gone. but in fact, there is no girl, and "noon" is just a state of loneliness.

that's why it's titled aube (dawn).
 
bobbyburns said:
aube

above the road near a laurel wood, I wrapped her up in gathered veils,
and I felt a little her immense body. dawn and the child fell down at the
edge of the wood.

waking, it was noon.

--arthur rimbaud


"waking, it was noon." nothing there, but everything has once been there.
*thinking dreamly*

Irene: I liked your reply, which made me smile :) hehe.
 
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