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Gay marriage

chris302116 said:
You will always find something in the Bible that will support your own point of view.........even if you have to put a different interpretation on it.
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That is very true. Different writers of the Bible say many different things. Different writers, different views, different beliefs.

And I've read the Bible and my minor is in religious studies with a focus on Jewish & "Christian" texts.
 
I was raised in a good old Catholic home and was taught the truth from a young age: being gay is a sin and allowing them to marry is an abomination.


Luckily.... I moved away from home and no longer believe discriminatory tripe like that. I've even had the privilege of getting to know some homosexual couples and now I feel quite strongly that anyone should have the right to marry, regardless of their sexual orientation.
 
Come on guys,leave Chris alone.Maybe he has been asked his hand by a friend of his and use this as a way to keep his freedom.One should not be force to marry.
Marriage should be left to heterosexual couples because they are so conventional,aren't they Chris.:flowers:
 
Libra6Poe said:
Newsweek article: Gay Marriage: Our Mutual Joy | Newsweek Culture | Newsweek.com
The Bible & gay marriage.
Just thought I'd share.
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That was an excellent article in Newsweek, definitely not one to miss. The problem with this issue is that it should be approached entirely by a civil and secular line of reasoning concerning equal treatment and rights. You have the right to believe that someone will burn for all eternity if they make the wrong decision, but it's not your goal or duty in this life to mesh your theological views onto the civil society at large out of your personal whims. I have yet to a convincing argument against gay marriage that isn't based on theology.
 
chris302116 said:
The argument some folks have is not against those who are gay it is the use of the word marriage in that context.
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And the understanding of "marriage" is one that has an underlying religious basis, not a constitutional one.
 
Every time the subject of "the institution of marriage" comes up, I get the feeling that opponents of gay marriage think that "the institution of marriage" has remained unchanged since time immemorial.

At various times in our history, not so long ago* marriage, for instance, meant the man had legal guardianship over his wife who was supposed to obey him in everything, "until death do us part" was so strict that not even rape or physical abuse was considered ground for divorce, arranged or convenient marriages were common, and interracial or inter-faith marriage was not only considered unnatural but also illegal.

* Hell, in many parts of the world it's still like that.

If "the institution of marriage" survived the idea of marrying whoever you wanted regardless of class, race, or the wishes of your parents, simply because you loved them and wanted to spend your life with them as equal partners, then I don't see why extending the same right to gays will suddenly tear it down.

And if it hasn't survived that, as I know some people have argued, then maybe it shouldn't.
 
So apart from Sweden allowing gay marriage as of May 1st (took us long enough), the US states of Iowa and Vermont have followed suit (in Iowa by court decision, in Vermont by vote). I thought this article, trying to predict when other US states will do the same, was interesting.
 
beer good said:
Every time the subject of "the institution of marriage" comes up, I get the feeling that opponents of gay marriage think that "the institution of marriage" has remained unchanged since time immemorial.

At various times in our history, not so long ago* marriage, for instance, meant the man had legal guardianship over his wife who was supposed to obey him in everything, "until death do us part" was so strict that not even rape or physical abuse was considered ground for divorce, arranged or convenient marriages were common, and interracial or inter-faith marriage was not only considered unnatural but also illegal.

* Hell, in many parts of the world it's still like that.

If "the institution of marriage" survived the idea of marrying whoever you wanted regardless of class, race, or the wishes of your parents, simply because you loved them and wanted to spend your life with them as equal partners, then I don't see why extending the same right to gays will suddenly tear it down.

And if it hasn't survived that, as I know some people have argued, then maybe it shouldn't.
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I've only just seen this, but as Thomas puts it, so shall I: :star5:
 
This reminds me, today I was watching Oprah (don't ask) and this man Jack/John/whatever Harris who was a preacher and sort of came out a year or two ago. Both he and his wife seem to think of homosexuality as 'inclinations' towards having (sexual) relationships with someone of the same sex and that those same inclinations can be ignored/conquered. That was like the weirdest thing I ever heard about being gay.
 
Polly Parrot said:
This reminds me, today I was watching Oprah (don't ask) and this man Jack/John/whatever Harris who was a preacher and sort of came out a year or two ago. Both he and his wife seem to think of homosexuality as 'inclinations' towards having (sexual) relationships with someone of the same sex and that those same inclinations can be ignored/conquered. That was like the weirdest thing I ever heard about being gay.
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That is screwed up and unhealthy on so many levels.

'Oh goodness – I've discovered that I'm gay! But it's bad, so I'll have to try to ignore or conquer it'.
 
Sybarite said:
That is screwed up and unhealthy on so many levels.

'Oh goodness – I've discovered that I'm gay! But it's bad, so I'll have to try to ignore or conquer it'.
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The worst thing about that is that he was convinced it was a challenge which can be conquered AND that God would forgive him for the sin of having slept with men.

I wanted to throw shoes at the television when I saw him say that.
 
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