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Is Ethanol our ticket out of The Middle East?

Motokid said:
...paying out the arse for gas...
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The correct anglicised version would be "paying out of my bloody arse for petrol". Appreciate the effort though, it's bringing us all closer together.

Have a nice day y'all,

K-S
 
StillILearn said:
The cars above are the ones I'm looking at.

My backyard is in Yucca Mountain, Nevada, and I'm one of those persons who just doesn't feel good about our present nuclear habits/options. What are your thoughts about that? Aside from this, I mean: ;)



Care to elaborate?
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On the next clear weekend day I'll have to get up on my roof and see if I can see this with binoculars. Salem Nuclear Power Plant:

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I know I can be directly across the Delaware river from it in less than 20 minutes drive. So I do have one in my backyard so to speak.
 
Motokid said:
On the next clear weekend day I'll have to get up on my roof and see if I can see this with binoculars. Salem Nuclear Power Plant:

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I know I can be directly across the Delaware river from it in less than 20 minutes drive. So I do have one in my backyard so to speak.
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Other than saving you money :) has there been any other aspect of the plant that has affected you. I am currently thinking about moving to Hershey, PA and have absolutely no concerns about 3 Mile Island which is kinda next door. To set the record straight, I was involved with the engineering and construction of many Nuclear and Fossil power plants in the U.S.
 
Nope. It's part of the landscape really. Never think about it or even see it unless I'm heading down that way on purpose. Can't hear it, smell it (????) or see it for the most part.

Only time I really thought about it was not long after 9/11 and thinking about it as a possible target. Along with the Delaware Memorial Bridge, all the Dupont plants and Corporate offices...Dover Air Force Base....Philadelphia oil refineries, and the Delaware City refinery which is just across the river from Salem also. Making that general area a double target.

If I were you I'd be more concerned about smelling chocolate all day long....you might gain weight just from breathing the air around that place...:D
 
Actually, I fibbed a little in my post. We have ruled out Hershey as a place to live although the smell of chocolate was a plus, I loved it. We just did not like the place as well as where we curreently live in Charlottesville. The only reason we considered it was due to the cost of housing. We are looking to downsize and hope to but something a little less expensive.
 
I tried to edit my last post but too much time had expired. I thought that I would post this message rather than just leave and not let anyone know.

I have decided to leave TBF. This will probably be my last post.
 
For those that missed it:
Bush said:
America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world.

The best way to break this addiction is through technology.

To change how we power our homes and offices, we will invest more in zero-emission coal-fired plants; revolutionary solar and wind technologies; and clean, safe nuclear energy.

We must also change how we power our automobiles. We will increase our research in better batteries for hybrid and electric cars, and in pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen. We will also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn but from wood chips, stalks, or switch grass.

Breakthroughs on this and other new technologies will help us reach another great goal: to replace more than 75% of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025.
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Kenny Shovel said:
Oh God, we're not going to go to war to stop terrorists gaining control of Iran's sugercane fields now are we?
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I couldn't listen. :) But switching grass might be a plan!
 
Here's the entire portion of the speech that I nicked from the BBC web site:
Oil addiction

Keeping America competitive requires affordable energy. Here we have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world. The best way to break this addiction is through technology.
Since 2001, we have spent nearly $10bn to develop cleaner, cheaper, more reliable alternative energy sources - and we are on the threshold of incredible advances. So tonight, I announce the Advanced Energy Initiative - a 22% increase in clean-energy research at the Department of Energy, to push for breakthroughs in two vital areas.
To change how we power our homes and offices, we will invest more in zero-emission coal-fired plants; revolutionary solar and wind technologies; and clean, safe nuclear energy. We must also change how we power our automobiles. We will increase our research in better batteries for hybrid and electric cars, and in pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen.
We will also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn but from wood chips, stalks, or switch grass. Our goal is to make this new kind of ethanol practical and competitive within six years. Breakthroughs on this and other new technologies will help us reach another great goal: to replace more than 75% of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025.
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Well so far we havent really "needed" to switch to alternative fuels, and there is a huge economic interest in keeping oil as the nr1 fuel. With enough incentive to make the switch you could probably have ethanol as a common fuel very quickly. Hydrogen would take a bit more effort, but with sufficient interest (money) i doubt it would take long to make it a viable alternative.

For once i think Bush made a good decision. Too bad he had to get in this much trouble to understand the importance of alternative energy sources.
 
I wanted to make 1 more post before leaving the forum. With President Bush you need to watch what he does, not listen to what he says. a follow up to his speech:

Administration backs off Bush's vow to reduce Mideast oil imports.

By Kevin G. Hall
Knight Ridder NewspapersWASHINGTON -

One day after President Bush vowed to reduce America's dependence on Middle East oil by cutting imports from there 75 percent by 2025, his energy secretary and national economic adviser said Wednesday that the president didn't mean it literally.
What the president meant, they said in a conference call with reporters, was that alternative fuels could displace an amount of oil imports equivalent to most of what America is expected to import from the Middle East in 2025.
But America still would import oil from the Middle East, because that's where the greatest oil supplies are.
The president's State of the Union reference to Mideast oil made headlines nationwide Wednesday because of his assertion that "America is addicted to oil" and his call to "break this addiction."
Bush vowed to fund research into better batteries for hybrid vehicles and more production of the alternative fuel ethanol, setting a lofty goal of replacing "more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025."
He pledged to "move beyond a petroleum-based economy and make our dependence on Middle Eastern oil a thing of the past."

Not exactly, though, it turns out.

"This was purely an example," Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said.
 
muggle said:
Knight Ridder Newspapers
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uhhhhh....who?

Having a little trouble putting much stock in a report from a paper named Knight Ridder....got any other sources...one I might have heard of....cnn, bbc, foxnews, National Inquirer....something????

and I sent you a pm muggle...answer if you please? :D

edit: quick find:

Read here
 
All I know is the link I posted earlier is the entire text from that conversation with the energy secretary. Draw your own conclusions.

Would you consider Knight Ridder to be more of a left-wing or right-wing organization?
 
Never mind that last question...here's the part muggle's post refered to in full...which I think makes things a bit clearer...

Q Hi, gentlemen, I had two questions. The first is, with the goal of reducing the reliance on Middle Eastern oil, sort of, to what end? Is the idea to weaken Middle Eastern nations? Or is the idea to reduce the U.S. need to be involved in Middle East affairs? And won't China and India just gobble up all that oil and won't it be a wash?

SECRETARY BODMAN: Let me try that, and then I may ask Al if he wants to comment on it.

The idea here -- the President, in using that example, was to just simply do that, to give an example of what would be accomplished if we are successful in the combination of the plug-in hybrids, of hybrids, the availability of ethanol in the quantities that we have mentioned, and have been successful with the hydrogen car in the year 2025. All of those things are assumed to be successful, which we hope they will be. We're going to work hard to see to it that they will be.

Oil is a commodity, you're quite right in suggesting that, that we would continue as a nation. Most of the purchases of oil in this country are done by the private sector. Thankfully, they're not done by the federal government. And they're done by people who are in these markets every day, that are very good at it, and they would make judgments as to where they would optimize whatever business they had at that point in time.

So this was, as I say, is purely an example. It was not mean to suggest anything related to the politics of the situation, other than to indicate that, presumably, at that point in time, if we see changes and we see a more stable situation, where one is buying from a more stable supplier, presumably one would rather do business with a more stable supplier rather than a less stable supplier. So as the world evolves over the next 20 years, I would think that you would see more interest in one supplier rather than another, but it was merely meant to give an example.
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Sheds a bit of a different light on the bit muggle posted doesn't it?
 
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