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Nick Berg ...

When I watched the footage the other day I felt that something was wrong. Obviously the lack of blood and the out of sync screams. The timestamp on the camera changes rather drastically during the Arabic declaration while Berg sits bound before the five men and listens in to what they say - at times his shoulders move. The time then forwards on a good number of hours before the central figure removes a knife from within his clothing and proceeds to "hack" the neck. The actual hacking is quite off camera, blocked by the arms of one man as he holds the body down.

It would appear logical that Berg was killed between the first film and the second, and the film was just edited to appear like an impromptu decapitation.
 
Something else bothered me about the whole thing apart from the gruesome act itself.. The front page of our local paper had a picture of the man's father and brother who had collaped in grief on their lawn. Why does the press feel the need to invade on grieving families like that? Obviously they think it sells newspapers. Instead it reinforced my feelings about the media in general and I'm happy they're no longer getting any of my money.

RaVeN
 
I have mixed feelings on the whole subject, really. I'm not sure if I care if any of the images (us torturing them, them torturing us) are fake. Whether these images are true or not, we'd be idiots to think that it isn't happening anyway, on both sides. Now and then I think it can be a good thing to remind people that war is a dirty business and people are dying horrible pointless deaths. We get fed these sanitised images of the war like it's just another day at the office, but it isn't. People are dying. Everyday, on both sides, people are suffering.

This whole question of whether things are fake or not seems to be a defence mechanism for a lot of people. Better to attack the photos and the videos than to face up to the reality of war. And that's not based on the comments here, but the comments I've been reading on the BBC website, a lot of which have been written by some truly blinkered people.

I'm a member of Amnesty and I get sent my magazine every month full of news of atrocities in Iraq and elsewhere, and it's bloody depressing, and I have to admit that this week was the first time in months that I've been able to read it and I wish I hadn't. :( But at the same time, it may be unpleasant, but it's important to remind ourselves that the world isn't always a nice place, and that the Geneva Convention may look good on paper, but not everyone has read it.
 
the preferred method of torture by the u.s. is to tape electrodes to a prisoner's testicles. now, that is a long and tortuous process ... eventually they will just start shitting themselves. but, hey, they messed with god's america.
 
I'd seen that pic, Carlos. Doesn't have to mean a bloody think, of course. Striking, though.

Anyway, Litany, I agree 100% with you. I couldn't say it better than you did, so everyone who got this far reading this thread, go back a few and reread Litany's post.

And savour it.

Cheers, Martin :cool:
 
Well, that's a first. I don't think I've ever provoked anyone into thinking. Violence certainly, but never thinking. :eek:
 
Wow, RaVeN, yet again you manage to startle us with your insights into a world torn apart by war.

I salute you, my good man, and I ask, nay beg of you to share more of your wisdom with us. We don't deserve it, I know, but please, teach us, for we are heathens - teach us how the world works.

Enlighten us.

Cheers, Martin :cool:
 
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