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M&O said:I just saw it and didn't read this thread ahead of time, so it gives me 4 pages of stuff I want to comment on!
Someone several pages ago wondered if the violence were that brutal back then. I understand that the practice of scourging was even *more* violent than we saw-- that flesh would be ripped away exposing bones and organs underneath. Considering the topic, I think it *had* to be violent and brutal (although I think there was too much dripping blood).
There was some "creative license," but I think it was in the spirit (no pun intended!) of the original. Gibson, being Catholic, also drew on Catholic tradition, which is not 100% based on the Bible.
I think Satan appearing in the Garden of Gethsemane was an example of license that tried to be "in the spirit". The Bible *does* say after Jesus is tempted in the wilderness, Satan left "for a more opportune time." What would be a more opportune time, after all?
Buying crucifixion nails to wear isn't necessarily a sick thing-- it can be a religious thing for those who believe Jesus died for them to be reminded of that.
Elysium said:I have watched the film and now having had time to reflect I have weighed up the pros and cons in my mind and decided that I didn't like it. IMO there was an unnecessary amount of gore and it was quite frankly repulsive to watch in parts. I also feel that certain scenes were inappropriately light hearted and designed to please a 'hollywood' audience. Something that should never have even enter Mel Gibson's head when he made this film.
In short I wouldn't recommend this film and would only suggest that people go to see it if they have a particular desire to do so.
The last 12 hours of Christ's life was violent, sure. But I didn't think that the Bible went into enough detail about what happened for anyone to be sure that the amount of violence depicted in the film is accurate.Rosie said:Quite accurate, the violence. I think it would have been offensive if it had been dulled down. For example, Schindler's List is full of mind numbing horrors. But I think they were perfectly necessary to be true to the event that was being dealt with. To dull it down would have done dishonor to the circumstance. I feel the same way about The Passion. To make what Christ went through anything but brutally accurate would have been wrong. Yes, I realize Gibson took some lisence, but I don't think it was dramatic or out of character with the story.
The simple fact is that the last 12 hours of Christs life was chock full of violence! And the film was meant to put into action exactly what the Bible said. I think thats a good goal and was accomplished very well.
No, but other historical sources have given detailed information about scourging and crucifixion to give us the idea. This movie made me think, for those who believe in the Bible, that the Bible's level of detail (kind of scant, as you said) makes it easy for one to gloss over the violence at the end of Christ's life. For example, I have heard for as long as I can remember that Jesus said, "Forgive them, Father," but watching the movie made it that much more incredible to me that Jesus could pray for their forgiveness.Elysium said:The last 12 hours of Christ's life was violent, sure. But I didn't think that the Bible went into enough detail about what happened for anyone to be sure that the amount of violence depicted in the film is accurate.
In fact, the film is not an adaptation of the Bible, but a book which describes revelations of a German mystic Ann Catherine Emmerich. These are really cruel and detailed descriptions of tortures, which start in Getsemani, not, as it's said in the Bible, from whipping.Elysium said:The last 12 hours of Christ's life was violent, sure. But I didn't think that the Bible went into enough detail about what happened for anyone to be sure that the amount of violence depicted in the film is accurate.
Maybe it was a try to show Jesus in a more human way, or to let people rest from bloodiness and sufferings.Elysium said:I also feel that certain scenes were inappropriately light hearted and designed to please a 'hollywood' audience.