Psychic abilities

[Miss Shelf]

You shovel it? I pick it up with a plastic bag! Wussy!

 

[Hugin]

You shovel it? I pick it up with a plastic bag! Wussy!

Big dogs = big volumeous excrement= shovel

Now how about we talk about something other than pet's bowel movements?

 

[Miss Shelf]

Big dogs = big volumeous excrement= shovel

Now how about we talk about something other than pet's bowel movements?

You've got small hands, huh?

Okay, how have your bowel movements been lately?

 

[G4G]

You shovel it? I pick it up with a plastic bag! Wussy!

Yes, that way you get that nice, warm squishy sensation...

 

[Kenny Shovel]

big volumeous excrement= shovel

Oi! You're skating on thin *#~*ing ice sunshine...

 

[muggle]

I think we have all been drinking too much eggnog.

 

[abecedarian]

I fully expect to return from the pet supply store to find the ball square in the middle of the living room carpet. If that happens, I will take a pill and go to bed.

in my best madam Trelawny voice:"Nooooo! Do not partake of the pill! You will be in GRAVE danger if you do. Your eyes will become gritty, and your eyelids..heavy. You will crave the warm comfort of your bed, and your dog will feel abandoned!"

 

[Jemima Aslana]

Jemima: That's pretty creepy, but the sceptic in me wants to know how often you've had such feelings and then nothing happens? Maybe you do, but then you don't remember them later? Just a thought....

Oh trust me, the sceptic in me wants to disregard all of the incidents as mere coincidence. But the weird thing is, I never remember my dreams, not even if I've had nightmares, heck, at times people tell me I've been very noisy at night and I clearly had a nightmare, but I won't even wake up with the feeling of having had a 'busy' night. I never remember anything at all. The only times I've remembered a dream or woken up with a weird feeling, those are the times when something happened.

So no, you're right, I don't remember, because I don't even remember anything when waking up. My mum's experience was in this fall, but my own happened 3+ years ago, and there has been nothing since. So heh, no new material for perusal so I'm gorwing more and more skeptic by the day

 

[Sergo]

Sergo-
Your points about what was believed in medieval Europe compared with today illustrate my position very well. Back then, when superstition was rampant, reliable information was inacccessible, and illiteracy was the rule, people believed all sorts of things. Anybody could make a statment, and that could be repeated and exaggerated until it grew to a legend, and still it would be repeated and exaggerated some more, and all sorts of gullable folks would pass it on.
You're right - we're not so different today.

In a sense we are absolutely the same.
Do you know that we have a magi who made an official statement that he will give life back to those killed in terrorist acts in Russia, so they could return to their families? And he is quite a wealthy person, as he charges a lot for his services. It seems he has enough customers to make him a rival to Bill Gates in nearest future. His name is Grabovoy. That's purest bullshit, if there is one, but lots of people believe in it.

But my point was really that what we believe to be true (then or now or in future) depends on system of current beliefs, not on ultimate truths, so what we believe is true today, tomorrow may turn out to be wrong, and vice versa.

And fenomenas that I mentioned cannot be discounted as tricks or coincidences. So the fact that we do not have a sensible explanation for it now, doesn't mean that there is no such an explanation at all.

 

[Libre]

In a sense we are absolutely the same.
Do you know that we have a magi who made an official statement that he will give life back to those killed in terrorist acts in Russia, so they could return to their families? And he is quite a wealthy person, as he charges a lot for his services. It seems he has enough customers to make him a rival to Bill Gates in nearest future. His name is Grabovoy. That's purest bullshit, if there is one, but lots of people believe in it.

But my point was really that what we believe to be true (then or now or in future) depends on system of current beliefs, not on ultimate truths, so what we believe is true today, tomorrow may turn out to be wrong, and vice versa.

And fenomenas that I mentioned cannot be discounted as tricks or coincidences. So the fact that we do not have a sensible explanation for it now, doesn't mean that there is no such an explanation at all.

That's why the "scientific method" is far more trustworthy than anecdotal evidence, in separating beliefs from truths. It is not infallible - but it is a whole lot better than anything else.
It seems that all the time, scientists are saying things like - while we used to think THAT, we now know THIS.
When somebody does a study or an experiment that invalidates a theory which up until then was the prevailing one - that constitutes a step forward in our knowledge, and does not invalidate the scientific method, but affirms it.

 

[Sergo]

That's why the "scientific method" is far more trustworthy than anecdotal evidence, in separating beliefs from truths. It is not infallible - but it is a whole lot better than anything else.
It seems that all the time, scientists are saying things like - while we used to think THAT, we now know THIS.
When somebody does a study or an experiment that invalidates a theory which up until then was the prevailing one - that constitutes a step forward in our knowledge, and does not invalidate the scientific method, but affirms it.

Sure.
Though now it is much easier to believe in atoms and synchrophasotrones and not believe in God and supernatural abilities, as our current system of beliefs is more "scientifically oriented"... And it is a Macho thing not to cling to an idea that there is some afterlife etc....
So what people claim to believe, and what they really do believe, could differ to some extent. Our current abundance of B&W magi, precognitors, vodoo specialists, shamans etc. says in favor of that point.
For example, some business woman, who would certainly laugh at an idea of supernatural powers, immediately goes to some card-reader fortune teller, when getting curious about her husband's strange behavior...

 

[Kenny Shovel]

...For example, some business woman, who would certainly laugh at an idea of supernatural powers, immediately goes to some card-reader fortune teller, when getting curious about her husband's strange behavior...

Oh yes, this happened to 'a friend' of yours did it?

 

[muggle]

Let us not forget though, the 2 greatest scientists in history, Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, were both religious.

 

[Kenny Shovel]

Let us not forget though, the 2 greatest scientists in history, Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, were both religious.

Well, whatever your views on religion, the question 'What caused the first domino to fall over' will probably always remain unanswered...hence there does not have to be conflict between science and religion if that fundamental issue is kept in view...problems only arise when explainations to lesser questions are used to support or attack differing view points of that ultimate question...


...but more importantly perhaps, when is Sergo going to post in the 'How do you pronouce Dostoyevski' thread and stop all the madness?

 

[Sergo]

Oh yes, this happened to 'a friend' of yours did it?

Oh no, I do not think my wife have ever tried that.

But I know that some of her friends did exactly that thing.

 

[Sergo]

...but more importantly perhaps, when is Sergo going to post in the 'How do you pronouce Dostoyevski' thread and stop all the madness?

Wow, there is such a thread here? OK, coming...

 

[Libre]

Let us not forget though, the 2 greatest scientists in history, Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, were both religious.

On the whole, I would say religion has not been kind to scientists. Galileo and Darwin are but two names that spring to mind, but the total list would be staggering.