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Saddest/Most Depressing Novel You've Ever Read

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DaoJones said:
dude,
I see you're reading a book by Martin. Might interest you to know my brother is well acquainted with him and has spent time visiting his home. Can't tell you much about that as my brother and I barely speak to each other.

Thanks for the compliment by the way.
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I'm not much into fantasy, but I know a lot of people who love his books, so I thought I'd see what the hubbub was. They're really great.
 
Never read him myself, but everyone I know who has loves his work. Never heard anyone dislike it, pretty amazing.
 
The most disturbing book that I've read was Red Dragon I think was the title, T. Jefferson Parker is the author. The book revolved around child porn.
 
The novel that most convinced me of the pointlessness of existence was Steppenwolf. I strongly suspect that that book went over my head because I don't get why you would write or why, after having read it, you would direct someone else to read it.
 
If one thinks the Bible is all fiction, that is their opinion. If you want to say you do not believe it, then no problem. But if you say it is fiction like this is a known fact then it is an insult to my religion. I notice no one seems to have the guts these days to voice such opinion about the Koran, though undoubtedly most of these people who have no problem saying bible is fiction also believe same about Koran but do not have the guts to say so.
 
The Bible, both old and new testaments the Koran, the Hadith, the Bhagavad Gita, Dianetics, The Odyssey, the Pāli Canon, the Kojiki, the Book of Mormon and any other book that asserts as proven fact things that are unverifiable and supernatural is a work of fiction. This includes, but is not limited to, every book listed on the 'Religious Texts' wikipedia page.

Is that broad enough for you chiangmaifalcon?
 
No that is not correct. It is your opinion they are fiction, since you also cannot prove that any of them are not true. Fiction is something which is agreed upon by anyone including its creator that it is untrue. Is this also difficult to understand?
 
I'm not going to press this point, because I'm only new here and am scared of getting banned for derailing a thread by precipitating an argument over a question old as the internet itself: Is God real?

But at least I mentioned Islam as being also fictitious. That's something, right? At least I'm a consistent atheist.
 
I find the real irony here is a Christian complaining about someone disrespecting their religion. In my 55 years I've never known any group to be more disrespectful to other religions than Christians. For 30 years I lived in a town with Jews, Moslems, Hindus and Christians of course. I never heard any criticize the Christians. But I heard all kinds of ugly remarks from them.

Pardon me if I'm not very sympathetic but the only time a Christian is concerned with people disrespecting any religion is when someone is critical of theirs.
 
Christheblogger said:
I'm not going to press this point, because I'm only new here and am scared of getting banned for derailing a thread by precipitating an argument over a question old as the internet itself: Is God real?

But at least I mentioned Islam as being also fictitious. That's something, right? At least I'm a consistent atheist.
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Your post reminded me of a t shirt I saw once. It said "Thank God I'm An Atheist". I thought it was so clever and irreverent I almost bought it even though I'm not an atheist.
 
Christheblogger said:
The Bible, both old and new testaments the Koran, the Hadith, the Bhagavad Gita, Dianetics, The Odyssey, the Pāli Canon, the Kojiki, the Book of Mormon and any other book that asserts as proven fact things that are unverifiable and supernatural is a work of fiction. This includes, but is not limited to, every book listed on the 'Religious Texts' wikipedia page.

Is that broad enough for you chiangmaifalcon?
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Don't know about any of these other "holy books" but let's take a look at the bible. First of all it wasn't even written until over 200 years after Jaysus died.
It's been translated 4 different times, maybe more. The Catholic Church has tampered with the translation and by deleting and changing books to suit its agenda. At best you'd have to say it's an unreliable document.

How can any reasonable, thinking, rational, objective person take this tome seriously? It's highly suspect. The general uncetainty of something with a history like this would make me nervous no matter what I wanted to believe.
The only way a person could ignore this is if they were in deep denial or were unaware of it's history.

This is in no way being disrespectful of someone's religion. It isn't disrespectful to acknowledge known facts. Just because you don't like what those facts point to.....
 
DaoJones said:
Your post reminded me of a t shirt I saw once. It said "Thank God I'm An Atheist". I thought it was so clever and irreverent I almost bought it even though I'm not an atheist.
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Thanks :) If you're not an atheist then what?

Back to the topic: There were parts of Everything is Illuminated, by Jonathan Safran Foer, that I found pretty difficult to read.
 
What known facts? And who is Jaysus? Some people believe anything written in a book somewhere is a "known fact" as long as it isn't a religious book. Many things in the bible are generally accepted by historians, and many of the history books I read in school are now considered to be unreliable. If one really took time to study comparative religions, they would see that most are critical of other religions, with the probable exception of Buddhism. I do not know where you live in Texas Dao jones, but most Christians I know do not preach that if you are not Christian we will kill you, unlike Muslim extremists. People love to criticize Christians, white people, men etc. because it is fashionable these days and it is easy to go along with the masses, like sheep. And if the bible makes you nervous, you don't have to read it. Most rational, thinking people make it a point to try not to disrespect people's country or religion. This is common decency.
 
chiangmaifalcon, I agree that most religions are critical of other religions. Are you saying that that is OK, but it is not OK for atheism to be critical of all religions?

I really must take exception at your charge of discrimination. Can you name me a group of people who have things easier than white, Christian men? There seems to be a large fraction of you guys who are so precious that you blubber about bigotry whenever you're confronted by someone with the sheer effrontery to possibly question the validity of your God-given privilege.

I'm pretty sure that the world's largest faith, and the sex that controls the commanding heights of power in almost every country, can handle a little constructive criticism. Leave the persecution complex at home.

And, for the sake of completeness, yes a lot of Muslims have a persecution complex too. But they prefer to blame the Jews.
 
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