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Smoking is addictive - yay or nay?

Martin

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I've been having a discussion with .. a friend of mine, and she says that, in spite of having smoked since she was 12, she is not addicted. Now, I just had to disagree - it's been proven over and over again that nicotine is a addictive substance, and if you regularly take it into your body, you will become dependable on it.

Now, of course there are different levels of addiction, ranging from the 'die-hard, sell their firstborn to get a fag'-addicts to the 'I can stop anytime I want, but I won't because I like it'-addicts; but an addiction is an addiction, and it ssaddens me that there are still people out there who have smoked a lot for a long time, and who still claim not to be addicted.

To sum up - she believes it is possible to smoke for an extended period of time without getting addicted to some degree. I Disagree. Who do you agree with, her or me? (Don't worry, I won't hold it against you (ish)).

Cheers
 
Smoking is addictive.

I used to share an office with the drug and alcohol nurse and he told me that there would be heroin addicts who would tell him they'd beat the smack but not the fags. It's been proven to be the most addictive substance when taking everything into account. There are serious psychological implications with nicotine, you crave long after you're not physically addicted.

I know a woman who quit smoking 20 years ago and she says that to this day, she gets a strong urge when she mimics the act of bringing a fag up to her mouth.

That's me take.
 
Yup, I suggested the enormous amount of research done into this topic, but she (and a few smoking friends of hers) heartily disagreed, giving me the completely bogus argument: "Well, you don't smoke, so you can't know".

Yeah, uh huh.

Cheers

Disclaimer - if the person in question ever reads this, and this is very likely, I hope you will not take offense. None was intended.
 
Ha! I AM an ex-smoker so I know what it's like to be both a smoker and not a smoker. My favourite fag used to be the one I had after work (I work in the medical field and felt really stupid when I was a smoker because I knew the damage I was doing, hence, smoking was done AWAY from town).

Ok. If your friend says she isn't addicted, ask her to go a work week without fags and with no patches, gum, inhalers, etc. Bring her out for a drink, a coffee. She'll get triggered.

It's good you've never smoked! I am envious!
 
As an ex-smoker I have to agree that smoking is addictive, why else would there be such a demand for patches, hypnosis, acupuncture, if it was that easy to give it up. I tried several times before I finally stopped.
 
Ok. If your friend says she isn't addicted, ask her to go a work week without fags and with no patches, gum, inhalers, etc. Bring her out for a drink, a coffee. She'll get triggered.
She'd probably say that she'd easily live through that week, and she wouldn't be lying, either. But, like I said, there are many different levels of addiction, and just because you're on the safer side of the addiction-scale does not mean you're on the safe side of the addiction-scale.

Cheers
 
Okay, here's my own experience. I smoked when I was in university. Started, as many of my classmates did, during our psychiatry rotation in nursing. (Weird, I know, but it was a way to break the ice with patients.) Anyways, smoked for about 2 years before coming to my senses, duh, and quit. Now, 30+ years later, I still get the occasional craving for a smoke. It IS addictive.

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How much does your friend smoke? I've known of people who used cocaine (a highly addictive drug) only on occasion, and they weren't addicted by any means. If your friend is only smoking on the weekends or when drinking, maybe your friend isn't addicted. Now, if your friend is a pack-a-day person, I would find it hard to believe there isn't some form of addiction there.

Here's a moment of stupidity. I smoked tobacco through a hookah once, and I'm not a smoker. I got so forkin' sick I had to lay down. That was just stupid, but hey, what's life without a little stupidity every now and again?
 
True Martin. We must factor in the personality traits. Some people have addictive personalities, some people don't. However, fags are most certainly addictive and maybe a study should be done (HAS one been done yet?) about the effects of socialisation/personality on addiction. Is it more a nature or more a nurture issue? A 50/50 combination?

Nature/nurture discussions are always interesting.
 
Her words - she's been smoking on and off (never 'quitting', just forgetting to buy a new pack) since she was 12. She's 20-something, now.

And like said, I don't believe that even light smokers are die-hard addicts, but they are addicted, to some degree. Plain and simple.

Cheers
 
I dont smoke, but anyway here I go...
Smoking is definitively addictive. But, your friend might not be addicted to smoking. When I say addiction what I mean is a person who is been a regular smoker wants to quit smoking, but is unable to do so because of (probably) lack of will power.
I dont know what your friend means when she says she is not addictive. I think what she is trying to say is -- she smokes, but not regular in the sense that she might forget to buy a pack and not notice it! If she decides one day to stop smoking completely, she might be able to do that without much trouble.
Many people say they are addicted to tea, if they dont drink tea, their brain just doesnt work! But, I am not addicted to tea. Yes, I do drink tea everyday, but it doesn't mean that I cant work if I dont have tea.
 
I'm 22, I smoke, it IS addictive. I've been trying to stop for awhile... it's soooo hard! :( They go so well with coffee. I love to read at coffee shops and smoke while I do so. :(
 
I despise smoking with a passion. It makes me feel physically ill to smell it and whether it's psychological or not I feel tremendously unhealthy just being in the vicinity of people who do.

That being said, I can *imagine* how hard it is to quit something so pleasurable. I *love* crappy food - french fries, fried chicken, mozza sticks, ice cream, bring it on! However I'm also gaining a bit of weight now (have hit that 'My body no longer tolerates this without consequences' age). It's not much, but it annoys the bejesus out of me to contemplate going up a size. Yet despite this and despite the consequences it's ridiculously hard to pass up a delectible fried delicacy! And trying to give up Tim Hortons' Fruit Explosion muffins is simply torture.

I know this isn't the same thing at all. But despite the long term consequences I can see of eating the way I do, it's still very hard to change my behaviour. Especially when everyone else is eating something scrumptious, and when I'm doing an activity (eg: studying, taking a tea break, etc) that I usually associate with these foods.

So I have sympathy for those who want to quit smoking and have difficulty (I can't say I can really empathise). Those who don't see smoking as a problem, however, are suffering from a serious lack of education, or a lack of concern for their body's own welfare. In your friend's case, I'd say she's right back at the beginning - admitting that she has a problem or an addiction in the first place.
 
Kookamoor said:
That being said, I can *imagine* how hard it is to quit something so pleasurable. I *love* crappy food - french fries, fried chicken, mozza sticks, ice cream, bring it on! However I'm also gaining a bit of weight now (have hit that 'My body no longer tolerates this without consequences' age). It's not much, but it annoys the bejesus out of me to contemplate going up a size. Yet despite this and despite the consequences it's ridiculously hard to pass up a delectible fried delicacy!
Exactly how I feel.
 
Smoking is addictive. However, it is also very easy to stop.

Governments want to reduce smoking in public (I see Bangladesh has become the latest country to ban smoking in public) but they are not providing the best method with which to give up. In the UK a packet of cigarettes comes with a monochrome health warning in large letters citing some of the things that smoking can cause. I believe that in Canada the health warnings are replaced with actual photographs of ailments caused by smoking.

Every smoker wants to stop. Ask a smoker if, before that first cigarette, they would take the other option and not smoke it. They will respond in the affirmative. Any one who replies in the negative is either joking or deceiving themself.

A recommended method to aid stopping smoking is to use nicotine replacement therapy such as chewing gum or patches. The big problem here is that smokers are addicted to nicotine. Buying gum or patches only serves to continue the addiction. Gum and patches, however, are more expensive than cigarettes. So nicotine replacement therapy is harder on your pocket than smoking. And companies know their product is addictive - it's the whole idea of nicotine replacement therapy.

Now, here's a strange statement. Smokers don't actually realise they are smoking. They put the cigarette in their mouth and puff away on it but they don't consciously inhale and analyse (via taste and smell) what they are doing. It is solely an action that they do. If they were to consciously light a cigarette, inhale the smoke, and think about what they were doing they would be disgusted.

A common way of stopping is to pick a date and then stop. These people start counting the days and it is only a matter of time before they break mentally and return to feed their addiction.

The common phrase used, with regard to smoking, is 'giving up' which smokers think they are doing when they stop smoking. The problem here is that by 'giving up' there is a psychological feeling of making a sacrifice which is tricking the mind (and smoking is all about the mind) into thinking they are making a big sacrifice by stopping smoking. In fact, they are not making a sacrifice. They didn't smoke before so why would they be giving it up. All they need to do is stop; not 'give up'.

An ex-smoker doesn't feel nicotine leave their body. The withdrawal symptons are painless. All the 'Oh! I need a cigarette' talk spouted by 'quitters' is purely in the mind.

The other common phrase used is 'habit'. Smoking is not a habit no matter how you look at it. Smoking is an addiction. A smoker is an addict. Pure and simple.

So, Martin, your friend is one of the worst smokers (and addicts) around. While the person who smokes 20...30...40...n per day knows they are addicted and either lacks the motivation to stop or doesn't want to stop yet the person who is the 'casual smoker' believes they can stop anytime. But they never do stop. Their nicotine dependency is apparent. They are addicts. They are fooling themselves.

But, when it comes to getting people to stop. The approach is all wrong - by healthcare units, health boards, etc. They constantly spout the benefits of non-smoking, the contents of a cigarette, the grim facts about how smoking takes time off your life but tell these facts to a smoker and they'll light up in front of you and, depending on their level of defiance, blow a puff of smoke in your face.

A smoker has to want to stop. Every smoker wants to stop. Every smoker has the potential to realise they can stop anytime. Every smoker can stop anytime.

They have to do it all by themselves though.
 
Geenh said:
I work in the medical field and felt really stupid when I was a smoker

Statistically, more than half of people in healthcare smoke. They cite stress as the reason for smoking but a cigarette, no matter what they believe, is not a stress reliever. They have convinced themselves of this. Films (such as a cigar being a prisoner's last request) have convince the populace of this.
 
"An ex-smoker doesn't feel nicotine leave their body. The withdrawal symptons are painless. All the 'Oh! I need a cigarette' talk spouted by 'quitters' is purely in the mind."

The withdrawal symptoms ARE felt. It's medically proven. Are you an ex-smoker with delusions or a non-smoker? I felt the withdrawals each and every time and so has everyone I've known who's quit, which is every ex-smoker I know.
 
Libra6Poe said:
I'm 22, I smoke, it IS addictive. I've been trying to stop for awhile... it's soooo hard! :( They go so well with coffee. I love to read at coffee shops and smoke while I do so. :(

Then, while sitting in these coffee shops and smoking, I have the very book for you. It even encourages you to smoke while reading it - how good is that?

EASYWAY to stop smoking by Allen Carr

It's the book I used to stop smoking (just like that!) after being a smoker for eight years.
 
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