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Spy Kids 3 or Rise of the Machines
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Martin
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I saw T3 a little earlier this evening and I liked it. However, don't expect anything even remotely as good as T2, Jonathan Mostow is no James Cameron, that's for sure. The action is top notch though. And proper SFX as well. The fact that Kristanna Loken is in it doesn't hurt either.
It's good entertainment, a good way to spend 2 hours, nothing more, nothing less.
Cheers, Martin
It's good entertainment, a good way to spend 2 hours, nothing more, nothing less.
Cheers, Martin
Originally posted by Martin
I saw T3 a little earlier this evening and I liked it. However, don't expect anything even remotely as good as T2, Jonathan Mostow is no James Cameron, that's for sure. The action is top notch though. And proper SFX as well. The fact that Kristanna Loken is in it doesn't hurt either.
It's good entertainment, a good way to spend 2 hours, nothing more, nothing less.
Cheers, Martin
How so early? It is released tomorrow night... Well for NW England at least,
Morry
saw T3 at last: Great!!!!!! and really enjoyed it!
I do not know what you think about it, but I found it really good, and for once Hollywood went on with a proper ending and script,
Good pace, nice touch of humour, good effects, not too much of visible CGE etc
If I am on teaching on history of computing one day I'll definitely add it on my list with The Matrix,
Morry
I do not know what you think about it, but I found it really good, and for once Hollywood went on with a proper ending and script,
Good pace, nice touch of humour, good effects, not too much of visible CGE etc
If I am on teaching on history of computing one day I'll definitely add it on my list with The Matrix,
Morry
I know it might a very silly reason but I was growing sick of all these Hollywood productions where the hero, whichever intelligent or brainless and ugly or gorgeous, always ends up winning the battle agains the great evil in a cheesy scene and where the absence of script is supposed to be excused by CGE.
The list is quite long: Matrix Reloaded 5*minus zero (see reported to the 1st one 5* plus, and this stupidest ever sexual orgy at the start), Minority Report 5* until the end (cheesy cruise smashing the evil systems)..., Starwars new version (especially the love dialogues), Jurassic Parks (What is the point?), Hulk stinks (Weepy Jennifer should play somewhere she is good but notat this!), etc. At least here the hero itself is not in control of the story and the story does not rely entirely upon the hero but also on the shoulders of the other actors and that seems much more realistic than most stuff I see. I also love the time lines mix-up as well... In terms of concept of time, this is much more intelligent than the use of time paradoxes usually done in movies, which at the end denies the idea of disruption of time lines,
Well this being said that's my view. And OK as I am often told I am horrible with scripts. Everything should be like Usual Suspects, or Ronin on that point of view,
Morry
The list is quite long: Matrix Reloaded 5*minus zero (see reported to the 1st one 5* plus, and this stupidest ever sexual orgy at the start), Minority Report 5* until the end (cheesy cruise smashing the evil systems)..., Starwars new version (especially the love dialogues), Jurassic Parks (What is the point?), Hulk stinks (Weepy Jennifer should play somewhere she is good but notat this!), etc. At least here the hero itself is not in control of the story and the story does not rely entirely upon the hero but also on the shoulders of the other actors and that seems much more realistic than most stuff I see. I also love the time lines mix-up as well... In terms of concept of time, this is much more intelligent than the use of time paradoxes usually done in movies, which at the end denies the idea of disruption of time lines,
Well this being said that's my view. And OK as I am often told I am horrible with scripts. Everything should be like Usual Suspects, or Ronin on that point of view,
Morry
Martin
Active Member
Wait, wait, wait...
So, if I get this right, you didn't like The Matrix Reloaded ?
What did you not like about it (except for the dance scene, I agree with you on that one)?
Let me know...
Cheers, Martin
And by the way, please do not compare T3 with The Matrix, because they're not even in the same ballpark!
So, if I get this right, you didn't like The Matrix Reloaded ?
What did you not like about it (except for the dance scene, I agree with you on that one)?
Let me know...
Cheers, Martin
And by the way, please do not compare T3 with The Matrix, because they're not even in the same ballpark!
Yes indeed...
Well...
About Matrix Reloaded: Great effects but that's more or less all;
I liked the twist on Trinity, after 1.30 hours of waiting for something to bite on
Good pilot for the sub
Loved the master of the key and the oracle
Some good use of geographical move in the Matrix
Good Agent Smith
For the rest:
Too much attempts at cheap metaphysics and religious feelings
Spoiled Fishburne into a cheaply religious leader
Virtual orgasm?????????
A cheesy non-acting Italian babe in the corner
Asking a good French actor to play a fool aristocrat????????
A lot too much talking about what... So what? Just hold with the Matrix and its impact rather than trying to explain it...
Fishburne's fights were too long
Boring first hour
Not enough scenes in the matrix and they do not exploit the whole idea of Neo's capabilities in the Matrix - he does not seem that special does he?
Human world looks like a poor remake of Mad Max Thunderdome
In brief: OK for the last hour, which could have been extended to 1.30. For the first one: cutting to 20'?
On T3 and MR, they are terribly of the same kind to me: Their common theme is the control by machines upon mankind... Yet T3 plays it fine I think, and not MR.
Why is it that everywhere you speak about computing people cannot help falling down into ideas of virtual cheesy realities (See MR and the Ital+French stuff - this is non sense) and into utopian greasy horror for the mechanical machines (see T3, T1 - do not misread me here I really like T1 and T3 - , Mad max and MR first part, Dune the Miniseries etc)?
I suppose it is what I do not like in MR: MR combines the most simplistic accounts of abuse of machines together with no reflexion: greasy humans vs. virtual perfect machines... Too easy man...
Well my views - and OK kinda play Devil's advocate here.
Morry
Well...
About Matrix Reloaded: Great effects but that's more or less all;
I liked the twist on Trinity, after 1.30 hours of waiting for something to bite on
Good pilot for the sub
Loved the master of the key and the oracle
Some good use of geographical move in the Matrix
Good Agent Smith
For the rest:
Too much attempts at cheap metaphysics and religious feelings
Spoiled Fishburne into a cheaply religious leader
Virtual orgasm?????????
A cheesy non-acting Italian babe in the corner
Asking a good French actor to play a fool aristocrat????????
A lot too much talking about what... So what? Just hold with the Matrix and its impact rather than trying to explain it...
Fishburne's fights were too long
Boring first hour
Not enough scenes in the matrix and they do not exploit the whole idea of Neo's capabilities in the Matrix - he does not seem that special does he?
Human world looks like a poor remake of Mad Max Thunderdome
In brief: OK for the last hour, which could have been extended to 1.30. For the first one: cutting to 20'?
On T3 and MR, they are terribly of the same kind to me: Their common theme is the control by machines upon mankind... Yet T3 plays it fine I think, and not MR.
Why is it that everywhere you speak about computing people cannot help falling down into ideas of virtual cheesy realities (See MR and the Ital+French stuff - this is non sense) and into utopian greasy horror for the mechanical machines (see T3, T1 - do not misread me here I really like T1 and T3 - , Mad max and MR first part, Dune the Miniseries etc)?
I suppose it is what I do not like in MR: MR combines the most simplistic accounts of abuse of machines together with no reflexion: greasy humans vs. virtual perfect machines... Too easy man...
Well my views - and OK kinda play Devil's advocate here.
Morry
M
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On the question of The Matrix Reloaded, mostly disadvantages come to my mind.
The worst for me was that the authors only pretend being deep...While they are not. In the first part of the Matrix, the meaning was in the plot itself. People living in illusion, wanting that in fact and so on. In the second film, the authors added more dialogues where the characters use mysteriously sounded statements, but I think that no sense can be drawn from that. Take Morpheus's speech to the citizens of Zion - he was supposed to tell them the truth - but instead he gave them a perfect example of propaganda. His speech was naive, banal, like from telenovela. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to offend telenovelas.
Besides, looking at the "civilised", so-called "thoughtful"citizens of Zion, you almost start to support the machines.
To make matters worse, a lot of scenes were unnecessary, like this one when Neo fights with Agent Smith, who multiplies himself with speed, which outclasses even bacteria. It doesn't add anything to the plot. It seems like the only reason for making it was to show audience "how wonderful, amazing, astonishing special effects we have."
To conclude, after good first film, I was deeply disappointed and simply bored.
The worst for me was that the authors only pretend being deep...While they are not. In the first part of the Matrix, the meaning was in the plot itself. People living in illusion, wanting that in fact and so on. In the second film, the authors added more dialogues where the characters use mysteriously sounded statements, but I think that no sense can be drawn from that. Take Morpheus's speech to the citizens of Zion - he was supposed to tell them the truth - but instead he gave them a perfect example of propaganda. His speech was naive, banal, like from telenovela. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to offend telenovelas.
Besides, looking at the "civilised", so-called "thoughtful"citizens of Zion, you almost start to support the machines.
To make matters worse, a lot of scenes were unnecessary, like this one when Neo fights with Agent Smith, who multiplies himself with speed, which outclasses even bacteria. It doesn't add anything to the plot. It seems like the only reason for making it was to show audience "how wonderful, amazing, astonishing special effects we have."
To conclude, after good first film, I was deeply disappointed and simply bored.
Dawn
kickbox
I think the MR was just a collection of fight scenes connected by a little bit of dialog. Nothing much was learned. The story didn't progress very much. That being said, I enjoyed it, even though I agree with most of your points, Morry and Idun. The orgy scene made us humans seem a bit shallow and only pleasure seekers and Morpheus no longer seems to be the cool, sophisticated, all knowing, right on track kind of guy. He is a misguided, but well intentioned, evangelist.
Still...It was a fun movie. I just took it at face value, sat back and "wowed" and "ahhhhhed" at the right moments. I just hope that the third film enlightens us.
Still...It was a fun movie. I just took it at face value, sat back and "wowed" and "ahhhhhed" at the right moments. I just hope that the third film enlightens us.
M
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I eventually saw Rise of the machines, and I liked it. It was funny - at some parts rather a comedy than an action film. But what is most important, the usage of the special effects was not exaggerated. This mistake has spoiled some films lately.
letterHead
Member
T3 really leads the way for T4:War Against the Machines, doesn't it? We finally get to see the humans win, and the final scene would be John Connor sending the very first Terminator back in time, thus making a circular story. Except in T3 it is stated that
Very late edit. I got confused. John Connor doesn't send the Terminator back, he sends Reese back. Who in turn father's Connor. If the war against the machines is prevented in any way, there will be no reason for Connor to send Reese back, therefore Connor will not be born.
Connor has been killed at some stage.
Very late edit. I got confused. John Connor doesn't send the Terminator back, he sends Reese back. Who in turn father's Connor. If the war against the machines is prevented in any way, there will be no reason for Connor to send Reese back, therefore Connor will not be born.
Martin
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Al right. All this chatter about the Terminator series reminded me of something I was thinking about right after I saw T2, about, what, 12 years ago?
Just hear me out. In T1 a terminator is sent back, but he gets crushed. The only part that remains is his hand. In T2 it becomes clear that this electronic hand was found by Skynet (that's what it was called, right) and out of this they developed the machines that would later rebel against humans (if I'm wrong, please correct me). So, to summarise, the fact that the first Terminator was sent back caused the war. To summarise once more; essentially, the war caused the war (if the first Terminator wasn't sent back, the war would never have happened). That's a paradox, right. That's impossible. I think.... Right?
Ahem, proceed, if you must...
Cheers, Martin
Just hear me out. In T1 a terminator is sent back, but he gets crushed. The only part that remains is his hand. In T2 it becomes clear that this electronic hand was found by Skynet (that's what it was called, right) and out of this they developed the machines that would later rebel against humans (if I'm wrong, please correct me). So, to summarise, the fact that the first Terminator was sent back caused the war. To summarise once more; essentially, the war caused the war (if the first Terminator wasn't sent back, the war would never have happened). That's a paradox, right. That's impossible. I think.... Right?
Ahem, proceed, if you must...
Cheers, Martin
M
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I don't remember such details about T2, but the sequence of events described by you sounds like a paradox. On second thoughts, it seems highly unprobable, or even impossible. But I think that impossible time paradoxes are the main idea on which the films are based. In T1 alone, if the machines didn't sent Terminator to kill John Connor, which caused Reese to go after him/it, Connor wouldn't be born at all, so what's the point in trying to kill him? Not sending Arnie into the past could be enough...