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The Masters of Hard-Boiled Detectives

nighthawk, since you are being so nice I will give you one more "snippet" and then you will have to wait for the book. You remember Clete? :) :

More unbelievably, Clete did all of these things, and many others, in a blithe, carefree spirit, like a unicorn on purple acid crashing good-naturedly through a clock shop. He was out of sync with the world, filled with self-destructive energies, addicted to every vice, still ridden with dreams from Vietnam, incredibly brave, generous, and decent, the most loyal man I ever knew, and ultimately the most tragic.

The paragraph that precedes the one above describes some of the things that Clete has done in his life.....like handcuffing a drunk congressman to a fire hydrant and leaving him, stuffing an entire container of liquid soap down a guys throat, and on and on....
 
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Hey! Thanks Muggle :D
and of course I remember Clete Purvis, Dave Robicheaux's ex-NOPD partner... Ooooh! sounds really good!!!
Mmmmm :D I wonder... if I said pretty please AND gave you another *hug*...August is such a l o n g time..... hahaha Thanks again Muggle, mustn't be greedy, but you can't blame me for trying ;) [/FONT]
 
I just finished reading Crusader's Cross. It was a very good book and I enjoyed it tremendously. There are a few 'surprises" in the book and both Dave and Clete do some outrageous things.
 
I have just read The Lady in the Lake by Chandler (the first book by him I have read). It only took one page for me to realize that he was more than a passing influence on Robert Parker. It does not make me think any less of Parker but gives me a whole set of books to put on my to-read list.
 
Michael Connelly is getting props on a hardboiled thread??? Yawn…

Drop that crap, kids -at least until you’ve read some real stuff:
RC and DH, mentioned as they should be.
James M. Cain
Ross MacDonald
Chester Himes
Jim Thompson
Cornell Woorich
…for starters...
 
muggle said:
Pay no attention Nighthawk. I know that you appreciate good authors and good stories. :)

Pay no attention to some very solid recommendations? Interesting advice.
And very contradictory to your second sentence…
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Just read my first Raymond Chandler, The Long Good-bye (1953), which was his last-but-one novel. (Though many commentators on Amazon etc seem to view the last one, Playback, as a poor thing, and it's rarely mentioned in blurbs etc.) Anyway. The Long Good-bye. Ooooh. I thought it was one of the most relentlessly terrific books I've read all year: perhaps number one. Forget all the stuff about Marlowe being a 'wisecracking' private eye (and what does 'hardboiled' mean anyway, when it's not referring to eggs?); he's handy with a one-liner all right, but the overwhelming sensation I got when reading his narrative was of permanently reeling under beautifully delivered blows of bitter truth. That, of course, is the kind of thing that cheers me up immensely, and I can't remember the last book I read that had me sitting there grinning like an idiot for so long from the sheer pleasure of the prose.

There was a sad fellow over on a bar stool talking to the bartender, who was polishing a glass and listening with that plastic smile people wear when they are trying not to scream. The customer was middle-aged, handsomely dressed, and drunk. He wanted to talk and he couldn’t have stopped even if he hadn’t really wanted to talk. He was polite and friendly and when I heard him he didn’t seem to slur his words much, but you knew that he got up on the bottle and only let go of it when he fell asleep at night. He would be like that for the rest of his life and that was what his life was. You would never know how he got that way because even if he told you it would not be the truth. At the very best a distorted memory of the truth as he knew it. There is a sad man like that in every quiet bar in the world.

The brevity of Marlowe's observations (is that the 'hardboiled' bit?) means that Chandler drives an extraordinary density into each paragraph and page: as a result the book (448 pages in my edition, about 50% longer than the other Marlowe novels) feels long and slow but never drawn-out or boring. The milieu is wonderful too: the idle rich of California, whose habits and behaviour prove that money and social standing just make you more miserable in the end. At one point, in three successive chapters, Marlowe meets three different doctors: each one is perfectly portrayed, a fully-rounded character, idiosyncratic but not pitifully eccentric as some lazier, looser writers would have them, so that you really don't know which one is going to feature more prominently, and which two are never going to be mentioned again. This even-handedness and equal attention to detail is present throughout and illuminates the whole thing from within. It's a common overstatement to say of a book one has admired that 'Not a sentence is wasted,' but I really felt this was (almost) literally true with Chandler. Everything that's there needs to be there.

So I picked up a couple more Chandlers, The Lady in the Lake and Farewell, My Lovely, with a combination of jittery excitement and dread at the thought of there being a limited number of these little packages of joy still to read. Mere hardboiled detective stories? Just crime fiction? This is literature - art - pure and simple (though rarely pure, and never simple).
 
Well, Shade, if I might presume to speak for Chandler, I would say that he would be very glad to hear you say so. In his letters, he often said that he thought that readers would like character-driven mysteries as much as plot-driven mysteries; and that genre fiction and great fiction were not mutually exclusive.
I recommend that you hunt up a copy of Chandler's collected letters.

By the way, the "hard-boiled", as I understand it, refers to the detective's worldliness - i.e. having seen and done all manner of horrible things, but always doing the "right" thing regardless of the cost. That is, having every reason in the world to be cynical, but not being so, deep down.
 
Shade, if you like crime fiction then have you ever read any Margaret Doody? her series of books about Aristotle are real nail-biters.
 
Thanks Graeco Roman. Hm, themed detective fiction (or 'fetish detectives' as I think of them) is an area I haven't really explored. Still, who could resist the lure of the cookery detective series which included such classics as Between a Wok and a Hard Place, and Thou Shalt Not Grill? Or the series which centred on that well-known career of 'fax greeter', which enabled the author to call the novels things like Just the Fax, Ma'am, and The Fax of Life?

What next? Jesus, P.I.? Volume I: A Slay in a Manger.
 
Welcome to the forum, Graeco Roman. :) Why don't you post a thread introducing yourself in the Members' Introductions forum, then we can all welcome you properly.

PS: You're right, Shade's having a little joke.
 
Yeah! Crumley is one of the best, I just wish he would write more, I've just read Ken Breun's 'Priest' Jeez I wish they (Who in the Hell is THEY!) would make a film of it, I have a feeling that the people who remained (some may walk out?) would stay seated at the end completly Gobsmacked! :cool:
 
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