Peder
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Monkey,MonkeyCatcher said:Or maybe because Americans are lazy
You mean it should be Amerricans? Or as some people say Amurricans?
Peder
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Monkey,MonkeyCatcher said:Or maybe because Americans are lazy
Hehe. ExactlyPeder said:Monkey,
You mean it should be Amerricans? Or as some people say Amurricans?
Peder
me! said:The good news about Audrey Niffenegger's American bestseller (so successful there that the British publishers couldn't even bring themselves to anglicise the spelling, for fear of jinxing it) is that it is based on a thoroughly good, original idea, and furthermore that it reads extremely speedily despite its 500-odd page length.
The bad news is that there isn't any more good news. So let's tease out what we can. Henry and Clare are time-cross'd lovers: he suffers from Chrono-Displacement, a fanciful condition that regularly, but unpredictably, whips him clean out of the here and now and deposits him elsewhere - elsewhen - in time. So far, so Philip K Dick. It is certainly a novel conceit for a mildly literary, mainstream love story. However because it's a love story and not science fiction, Niffenegger doesn't really work out her logic very much. She makes the rules, and they're all designed to her convenience - such as the fact that Henry always ends up somewhere known to him when he time-travels, and never on the other side of the world. Similarly, before the 'now' of the book, he only ever visits the past; and in the 'future' of the book, he only ever visits the future. This makes the story very linear for such a potentially bouncy chronology, presumably to make it easy for us and permit us to keep our minds on the love story.
The love story itself is nothing special, other than in its self-fufilling circularity. Henry and Clare are destined to be together - they meet in a library where Henry works when he is 28 and she is 20. But they only get together at Clare's instigation, because Henry has been appearing to her - from his future time - regularly since she was six years old, telling her how they are destined to be together. When they meet at the library, Henry doesn't know Clare because he hasn't met her yet - and it's only because he loves her in the future, and then travels back in time to see her as a child, that she invites him for dinner, and he accepts. And so the relationship is built on itself, unsupported by anything else: they are only together because they are together.
The two characters - who take turns to narrate the novel - do not have very distinct voices, and frequently I would find myself in the middle of a passage of Clare's thinking it was Henry, until she says something like "Henry looked at me." But if Clare is just banal, Henry transcends this as the novel progresses to become positively unlikeable. I did have my doubts in the sections referred to earlier, where he appears in his thirties and forties - naked because his clothes disappear when he time travels [And that, Your Honour, concludes the case for the defence] - in front of Clare when she is as young as six years old. Not just because it's a tad distasteful - though he heroically restrains himself from fucking her until the birthday when she comes of legal age - but also because it shows that the whole edifice of their relationship is built on Henry's will. If a mystery friend comes and visits a child routinely from the age of six, it's a pretty safe bet that her desires will become shaped by what he tells her. This is true both of her tastes for food - so if Henry tells her as a youth, "Your favourite food is Marmite", then she'll go off and try it, again and again if necessary, until it is her favourite food - and her taste for Henry.
Henry goes from bad to worse when he kicks a man to a bloody pulp for insulting him, and from worse to worser when Niffenegger (what was she thinking?) decides to make him a preening erotomaniac, so thoroughly satisfied of his own sexual prowess that I really cannot bring myself to reproduce the relevant passages for fear of vomiting on my keyboard. And naturally, when(like, sorry to ruin it for you) he leaves Clare a note telling her that he will return to her in the future (from his past when he was still alive) just once or twice, thus making her spend the rest of her life - some 50 years according to the times given - waiting for him to the exclusion of finding happiness with someone else. Oh and did I mention his random abandonment and subsequent harsh treatment of the girlfriend he was seeing when Clare 're'-entered his life, led to her committing suicide?he dies
All of which would be fine if Henry was supposed to be a repellent creep through and through, but I think Niffenegger wants us to like him, and to celebrate his brainwashing possession of Clare as some great epic love story. Epic it certainly is, and for most of the book little happens - one fifty-page section describes Henry's first Christmas with Clare's family, where nothing of interest happens, and even for the rest of the book, when Henry and Clare are not celebrating their fantastic lurve, it's slapstick-lite with us wondering whether Henry will get to the church for their marriage on time, or how he will explain himself to colleagues when he keeps re-appearing naked at work. So when it all descends into melodrama near the end,I couldn't help but smile and wish good riddance - to Horrible Henry, and his silly story too.with amputations, suicide, shooting and so on,
westylass said:I'm such a sap
Peder said:Ms Shelf,
Um, yes, and yes. No particular arguments there. I was curious why, with two characters like that, there was so mild a reaction in this thread compared to Shade's and let's say yours. Or maybe the reaction wasn't so mild and I am simpy projecting my own mild personal reaction beyond proper limts.
Maybe I'll count the vote,
and find out I'm wrong.
Wouldn't be the first time
Peder
Miss Shelf said:I just don't see it as a love story the way I interpret love to be.
I would think that's the case too.Peder said:Or maybe this is simply a missed attempt at something that could have been better.
Peder said:Oh Westy,
Please don't say that, or even think it. In my book, empathy is a fine emotion to have, and the fact that the author carried you (and me) along to such an extent speaks well of her abilities. Even if we are having trouble here putting our finger on exactly what those abilities are.
Peder
chop_chop said:Sorry if there has already been some post about this book - I did have a look but couldn't seem to find anything.
I am over half way through this book and I think it is lovely. It is quite unlike anything I have read before - and while at first the jumpy narrative was a bit confusing (it is helpful to have the chapter headings - well actually I think it would be impossible without them) I have got used to it now and I am just enjoying the story, seeing where all the ends tie up etc.
I was just wondering if anyone else has read this book and what they thought of it - without giving the ending away!
Erica said:I loved it...
Did you know there is a reading guide out for this book now?
'The Time Traveler's Wife' (Reading Guide Edition)
Audrey Niffenegger ...Paperback - September 1st 2005
Link below!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...5308/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_11_5/202-5101158-7831837
She also has another book out! (Don't know what its like though)
'The Three Incestuous Sisters ' ~Audrey Niffenegger
Jonathan Cape
Hardcover - September 1st 2005
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...5308/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_11_2/202-5101158-7831837