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Singapore
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Stewart
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There's nothing wrong with caning people. It's a good policy and one which, sadly, we no longer practice upon our miscreants.
The world has takenthe United States' policy of extreme political correctness to the point where everyone can easily pigeonhole themselves into a minority group and complain (or sue) whenever they feel put upon. Political correctness breeds leniency which, in turn, breeds chaos.
In my grandparents' days they had the cane in school; they grew up normal.
In my parents' days they had the cane in school; they grew up normal.
In my days we did not have the cane at school; I grew up normal although with the genesis of political correctness synchronising with my days there were those who lost their way and have grown up to become mere shadows whether it be lack of social ability, illegal dependancies, or genetic antisocialism.
The kids these days (as I begin to sound like my grandparents
) have been weaned on political correctness and as such they expect the world for nothing. The leniency we offer has bred juvenile delinquency, underage alcoholism, narcotics addiction, unnecessary violence, and other antisocial behaviours including minor arson, vandalism, and theft. Dependancies will soon expand into internet and television addictions. We already have fat kids of the Sunny Delight generation doing little to no exercise. These kids are forced into rooms to live in worlds of PlayStation, television, and music by parents who cannot shoulder the responsibility of raising a child; who think money will raise the child alone.
Their kids, after them, will be living in a world that panders to them as society - thanks to the spark of political correctness - descends into an anarchic state.
The only deterrent is to instill discipline in children at a young age. And, in Singapore's case, to offenders. If that means using a cane then so be it.
Well done, Singapore.
The world has takenthe United States' policy of extreme political correctness to the point where everyone can easily pigeonhole themselves into a minority group and complain (or sue) whenever they feel put upon. Political correctness breeds leniency which, in turn, breeds chaos.
In my grandparents' days they had the cane in school; they grew up normal.
In my parents' days they had the cane in school; they grew up normal.
In my days we did not have the cane at school; I grew up normal although with the genesis of political correctness synchronising with my days there were those who lost their way and have grown up to become mere shadows whether it be lack of social ability, illegal dependancies, or genetic antisocialism.
The kids these days (as I begin to sound like my grandparents
) have been weaned on political correctness and as such they expect the world for nothing. The leniency we offer has bred juvenile delinquency, underage alcoholism, narcotics addiction, unnecessary violence, and other antisocial behaviours including minor arson, vandalism, and theft. Dependancies will soon expand into internet and television addictions. We already have fat kids of the Sunny Delight generation doing little to no exercise. These kids are forced into rooms to live in worlds of PlayStation, television, and music by parents who cannot shoulder the responsibility of raising a child; who think money will raise the child alone.Their kids, after them, will be living in a world that panders to them as society - thanks to the spark of political correctness - descends into an anarchic state.
The only deterrent is to instill discipline in children at a young age. And, in Singapore's case, to offenders. If that means using a cane then so be it.
Well done, Singapore.
dele
New Member
I know a lot of Americans who are really great people. But I live in a Canadian city on the border with the States. And many of our southern neighbours come over to our country every night for three reasons. Gambling at the casino, drinking in the bars and sleeping with minors. Sad, but true. When bounced at a bar, they have 3 responses:
"You can't kick me out, I spend too much money here every week to get kicked out! I'll get you fired!"
"I've only had 2 or 3 drinks, I'm not drunk!"
"I'm not Canadian so I don't have to listen to you!"
I don't think I could count the number of brawls started by people who think the rules don't apply to them because they're from another country. If caning was legal here, my university campus would be a safer place to have night classes in, I wouldn't be afraid to walk home from work after a late shift, I wouldn't be afraid to wait at bus stops, and I wouldn't get harassed on a daily basis by drunks who think they are above the rules.
If Singapore has any of these problems, which I'm certain they must, I think they're justified in enforcing their laws and protecting their citizens.
"You can't kick me out, I spend too much money here every week to get kicked out! I'll get you fired!"
"I've only had 2 or 3 drinks, I'm not drunk!"
"I'm not Canadian so I don't have to listen to you!"
I don't think I could count the number of brawls started by people who think the rules don't apply to them because they're from another country. If caning was legal here, my university campus would be a safer place to have night classes in, I wouldn't be afraid to walk home from work after a late shift, I wouldn't be afraid to wait at bus stops, and I wouldn't get harassed on a daily basis by drunks who think they are above the rules.
If Singapore has any of these problems, which I'm certain they must, I think they're justified in enforcing their laws and protecting their citizens.
Litany
Active Member
dsj said:
I think that's a waste of money when you can just beat it out of them. And you don't really want to use 'truth serum' because you'll never get the answers you want. Far better to beat a confession out of them and get them to implicate even more people. That way you have a never ending supply of scapegoats and you never have to face up to the reality that deep down a terrorist is a regular human being that was driven to extremes by the society and enviroment he was exposed to. Because, if you ever stopped dehumanising the terrorists it would eat too much into your own personal comfort and might even affect the way you treat people. So much so that you might even start to believe that faceless strangers have exactly the same fears, cares and worries as you. And that would just be plum wrong, now wouldn't it? You wouldn't want to have to treat Johnny Foreigner with the respect he deserved as a human being. It would be simply dreadful for the economy.
Stewart
Active Member
dele said:
I was in Singapore for a little bit a few years ago and it was a beautiful place. There was no litter on the street (or in sight anywhere) and, on the road, there were no "flash" drivers sticking the bonnet of their car up the ass of the car in front. Being a nation created from a major mixture of Chinese, Indian, Malaysian immigrants the land is racially tolerant.
Over here, for example, the streets are awash with empty McDonalds' cartons, empty cans of Coke, empty beercans, empty carrier bags, old newspapers, dog shit, cigarette butts, cigarette packets, fallen leaves that have long since turn to mush, crisp packets, rusted shopping trolleys, and more. The roads are full of impatient drivers tooting and swearing at each other, alcoholics who have only had 'one drink', newly qualified drivers showing off to their friends, and - all the while - there's kids gathered in small antisocial gangs throwing bricks and eggs and stones at passing traffic - about six years ago, in England, an egg "landed" on my friends windscreen as we went round a roundabout - he had to brake the car because it blocked the road ahead. That could have killed somebody. And the streets are awash with immigrants from countries such as Kosovo, Somalia, and Iran who are starting their new lives but, in escaping persecution, are being reintroduced to it in a new - even more relentless form: the antisocial discrimination. Where the regime of a country can be broken down by, for example, a change of political party, the antisocial problem is currently unsolvable due to the relentless crap that capitalism and mass-marketing try to fatten our egos and bellies with. The antisocial discrimination varies from name calling and racial slurs to murder.
Singapore is rightly hard line on these activities. There was a case a few years back where an American kid was arrested for damaging a few cars by deeply scratching the paintwork. Obviously, the law didn't affect him because - as an antisocial teenager - he was beyond the law. Singaporean law allows the police to hold an individual in custody without trial for thirty years. There was a campaign to release him (by his parents) but I'd guess that he is still there tried and imprisoned or awaiting trial.
Thirty years without trial; that's a deterent to criminals. And, with Singapore also having the death penalty, it's has excellent disciplinarian skills to reduce crime. Even spitting chewing gum on the street or flicking ash/stubbing out a cigarette on the ground is finable/arrestable on the spot.
I find it strange, however, that (in the Europe and Asia thread you said you were Chinese) you are so concerned about the hardline discipline of Singapore when China kills more people per quarter than the rest of the world per year. That's enough to wet George W. Bush's pants.
Abulafia said:I was in Singapore for a little bit a few years ago and it was a beautiful place. There was no litter on the street (or in sight anywhere) and, on the road, there were no "flash" drivers sticking the bonnet of their car up the ass of the car in front. Being a nation created from a major mixture of Chinese, Indian, Malaysian immigrants the land is racially tolerant.
Over here, for example, the streets are awash with empty McDonalds' cartons, empty cans of Coke, empty beercans, empty carrier bags, old newspapers, dog shit, cigarette butts, cigarette packets, fallen leaves that have long since turn to mush, crisp packets, rusted shopping trolleys, and more. The roads are full of impatient drivers tooting and swearing at each other, alcoholics who have only had 'one drink', newly qualified drivers showing off to their friends, and - all the while - there's kids gathered in small antisocial gangs throwing bricks and eggs and stones at passing traffic - about six years ago, in England, an egg "landed" on my friends windscreen as we went round a roundabout - he had to brake the car because it blocked the road ahead. That could have killed somebody. And the streets are awash with immigrants from countries such as Kosovo, Somalia, and Iran who are starting their new lives but, in escaping persecution, are being reintroduced to it in a new - even more relentless form: the antisocial discrimination. Where the regime of a country can be broken down by, for example, a change of political party, the antisocial problem is currently unsolvable due to the relentless crap that capitalism and mass-marketing try to fatten our egos and bellies with. The antisocial discrimination varies from name calling and racial slurs to murder.
Singapore is rightly hard line on these activities. There was a case a few years back where an American kid was arrested for damaging a few cars by deeply scratching the paintwork. Obviously, the law didn't affect him because - as an antisocial teenager - he was beyond the law. Singaporean law allows the police to hold an individual in custody without trial for thirty years. There was a campaign to release him (by his parents) but I'd guess that he is still there tried and imprisoned or awaiting trial.
Thirty years without trial; that's a deterent to criminals. And, with Singapore also having the death penalty, it's has excellent disciplinarian skills to reduce crime. Even spitting chewing gum on the street or flicking ash/stubbing out a cigarette on the ground is finable/arrestable on the spot.
I find it strange, however, that (in the Europe and Asia thread you said you were Chinese) you are so concerned about the hardline discipline of Singapore when China kills more people per quarter than the rest of the world per year. That's enough to wet George W. Bush's pants.
The death penalty is ok. the chinese convicts that recieved the sentence was an abomination to society and should be removed. You should only say that the chinese crime rate is high not it's laws are absurd. Caning is not ok. And that teenager got 4 strokes of the cane. This is degrading which is the main reason why I'm against corporal punishment.
First, the ancient chinese had the most cruel punishments and they weren't hesistant to use them. You can call them the crulest race in history in this aspect. One of these punishments is skinning. There many ways to do this. The conventioinal way is to hang a person by the arms and legs and cut a long stripe open on the back and start to use the flaying knife to seperate the skin from the muscle and they tried to keep the skin unripped and late they fill the skin bag with grass to display it on the street. Saying that other countries have their own laws, the dude recieving it should thought of that before he commited the crimes is not good enough. It's a ridiculous punishment.Litany said:Committing the crime in the first place. Duh.