HermioneWeasley
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what would you say are the top 10 books for high school kids?
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Bosco said:try the curious incident of the dog in the night
Bosco said:did oyu enjoy it then?
i liked it because it really did make me feel guilty. i have never had any experiance with anyone who had any sort of disiability, and i felt like i was the cop who just thought he was a weirdo, ya know.
the crime in the neighbour hood - i loved that too.
steffee said:It's not exactly educational or anything though, is it?
steffee said:I mean, you don't really learn anything by reading it. It's just a boy who has normal parents who have a few problems. The boy suffers from Aspergers syndrome, but what does the novel teach to schoolchildren? You can learn about autism, Asperger's or otherwise, from a video, discussion, or yes, even a textbook, that's all I meant.
steffee said:I don't agree with Catcher in the Rye for kids either. I thought that was vastly over-rated.
steffee said:Books such as Lord of the Flies, To Kill a Mockingbird, Frankenstein, The Secret Garden... Dickens, Shakespeare, James Joyce, George Eliot, Vladimir Nabokov, Aphra Benn, Henrik Ibsen, even Margaret Atwood, all offer much more to a child's literary growth.
You can. Not all textbooks, but from some, you can. As a psychology student, I have most definitely learnt about thoughts and emotions from both the biological and cognitive schools of thought. Also, you only learn about one person's thoughts and emotions in The Curious Incident, which is atypical of autistic children anyway. Few autistic children would react to stimuli in the way that Christopher did.veggiedog said:You can't learn about a person's thoughts and emotions from a textbooks.
I completely agree there are disadvantages to textbooks. However, as stated above, The Curious Incident is based on a (fictional) account of one boy only.Textbooks can do nothing more than generalize. They don't give insight into the individual. They can say: "People who are autistic suffer from lack of communication skills." But they can't tell you how these people deal with their problems. They can't tell what people experience, or how they feel about their disabilities.
Again, I agree. A good novel can offer much insight into the hearts and minds of ordinary or extraordinary people. There are many many novels that do this, and The Curious Incident isn't one of them. That's not to say I didn't like the book; I did, but it's surely not worthy of being placed in a top ten listing of anything. For similar subjects, authors such as Nabokov and Dostoevsky tackle these issues in a much more educational and less patronising way.You may get more out of a discussion, but even a discussion isn't as personal as a novel. A (good) novel shares experiences and emotions, many more than in a discussion. There are some things that are difficult to discuss that through a novel can just be put out there. I personally am a person who finds it easier to communicate through writing than through speech. Many writers are like that.
Ok.* none of this applies specifically to the context of The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime.
I did realise he had a psychological illness. But that doesn't mean I "get" it. I probably don't, because I thought it was a paltry attempt at illustrating teenage depression / paranoia or whatever. Therefore, because I know many others felt that way, I think it's over-rated. A good book, in my opinion, should be understood and "got" by the majority of those reading it, not a particular few who can then say how insightful they thought it was.The Catcher in the Rye is one of those books that you either get or you don't. The powerful surge of emotion that went through me while reading it, and the effect it has on many teenagers, is impossible to put into the words of a simple language like English. I personally loved The Catcher in the Rye because I was able to sympathize with and understand Holden. Others may view him as a rich, spoiled brat who doesn't give a damn about the rest of the world and is too self-obsessed. People fail to realize that he had a neurological disorder. Anyway, you need to have a certain way of thinking and believing to see beyond Holden's surface and to fully appreciate the novel for the masterpiece it is.
I loved it for that reason. Society is sad, the world is sad, people are sad. Why must we always romanticise the word? Of course, uplifting books can be inspirational, too; but true-to-life novels appeal to a lot of people, and I can see why.I hated Lord of the Flies for reasons I cannot even begin to explain. What a sad view of society!
I disagree and think 14-16 year olds are capable of understanding Nabokov and Joyce. Dubliners, by James Joyce, is very easily comprehended, even if the students were to read only one or two of the fifteen stories contained within it. Some of Nabokov's works, Lolita, or Pnin for example, aren't difficult either. Considering I read works such as War and Peace, Anna Karenina and Les Miserables at that age, the examples of Joyce and Nabokov should be a walk in the park. I dislike Dickens, too. I think he is tedious (also, from what I've read), but many of his books offer a great deal of understanding of the times in which it was written. A Tale of Two Cities, for example.I agree that To Kill a Mockingbird is an excellent book, and Shakespeare is also brilliant. I think that the majority of high-schoolers are not quite ready for Nabokov or Joyce, however. But that's just as far as my experience. Dickens is also overrated (at least, by what I've read by him).
I have only read Of Mice and Men by Steinbeck, and Huckleberry Finn by Twain, and haven't read the others, but would agree.Steinbeck, Twain, and books such as Fahrenheit 451 and Catch-22 are also good. But literary growth is about more than reading classic literature. Whatever books you learn to love, appreciate, and understand the best are what are essential to your literary growth. I learned a lot from The Catcher and the Rye, and I like to think it has helped to shape me into the person I have become. This is why I like it so much, and I recommend it in the hope that it will have an emotional effect on others as well. I hope that doesn't sound too corny to believe.