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tv or not tv

I used to watch TV constantly, whenever i wasnt playing computer games anyway :)

Over the last couple of years, ive hardly watched any - i tune in to catch my favorite shows occasionally, but mostly i just get the boxsets on DVD if i want to watch something :)

Now my time is divided reading, on the internet & occasionally playing computer games :) Oh, and the odd bit of work here and there!! :D

Phil
 
To say that TV is evil is bullshit - if TV is evil, your pc is evil, the radio is evil, and books are evil. It's a medium, you like it or you don't. If you don't it doesn't immediately mean it's evil.

Cheers, Martin
 
Martin said:
To say that TV is evil is bullshit
Cheers, Martin


What's the matter? Your shares of Sony stock take another nosedive?

Me thinks thou doust study too much. :)


RaVeN
 
Nope, I just think that it's become a fashion to trash TV - of course there's a lot of shit on there, but have you even seen the dark corners of the Internet?

Exactly.

Cheers, Martin
 
Noper, I don't do dark carners.

Now, dark alleys is another matter all together. :D

RaVeN
(you've got a point there)...but wear a hat and nobody will notice
 
Martin said:
To say that TV is evil is bullshit - if TV is evil, your pc is evil, the radio is evil, and books are evil. It's a medium, you like it or you don't. If you don't it doesn't immediately mean it's evil.

While I was initially being at least partly facetious, to get a response like this, especially as a newbie, I think requires a little more than the short version. So, with apologies to Mr. Burns and Mr. Enema, a slightly longer version --

Have you ever noticed nothing kills a conversation quicker than turning on a TV? You can't read when it's on, you can't listen to music when it's on, and trying to have a conversation becomes pointless when it's on. Suddenly everyone within it's sphere of influence seems to go into a somnambulistic stupor. And while they sit there transfixed by the flickering images on the box, think of all they aren't doing. Think of what's not being produced, created, contemplated, imagined, dreamed, and realized because so many people are sitting on their sofas glued to the box.

My second point, and then I'll stop, is who controls the flickering images -- the government and a handful of very powerful corporations. And what do they gain (in addition to obscene sums of money) -- a society of mindless consumers buying what they tell them to buy, believing what they tell them to believe, and thinking what they tell them to think.

Now, there's the even longer version pointing out the decrease in brain activity, the break down of interpersonal relationships, the distorted perception of reality, increased obesity, and on and on and on, but, as I say, I only responded to this thread on a lark, not to get into a "thing" with the moderator.

Irene Wilde
 
To Irene's excellent response, I add the fact that TV has been proven to be addictive (just look at the number of people who admit they were addicted to the tube). You're also forced to watch advertising every so many minutes, unless you get up and leave the room. Advertising that tells you that you aren't good enough, but your life will be improved with this one little product. And TV does kill the imagination...children and adults everywhere are losing the ability to imagine, which has a lot to do with the fact that they've grown up with the tube telling them how and what to think. They've lost the ability to think on their own.

TV does have some good aspects. You can get a lot of information out quickly, and there is some good programming, but on the whole I do think that it is not good for society.

And as far as fashion to hate TV, I have hated it for years. And I don't think its such a bad thing to have people hating TV...it gets them off their butts and into other activities.
 
Just one question. Is that high horse comfortable at all?

First off, Irene, don't be shy because you're a newbie. I'm not challenging you personally, I just like a good discussion.

Secondly, don't be afraid of me, simply because I have 'moderator' standing below my name. I won't bite - I'll just ban you. :p

So I hope you do not mind me going into this a bit further. I'll limit myself to responding to your claims.



Have you ever noticed nothing kills a conversation quicker than turning on a TV?
Don't blame TV for the fact that you don't have anything decent to talk about - the fact that it gets turned on means that someone was bored enough to turn it on. It's a button which you push, not the TV itself.



You can't read when it's on
I can.



trying to have a conversation becomes pointless when it's on.
As I said above, the fact that it is turned on proves that, at that moment, there was nothing worth talking about. Here's an idea, watch the news, and talk about that.



Suddenly everyone within it's sphere of influence seems to go into a somnambulistic stupor.
Even the big words do not convince me. You control yourself, not that little black box with nice images on it. And the fact that you're focused on it does not necessarily have to be a bad thing - I mean, are you not focused, and closed off from the world, when you read a book? I am.



And while they sit there transfixed by the flickering images on the box, think of all they aren't doing.
Yeah, and you aren't cooking when you're driving, and you're not building schools in third world countries when you're having a $50,- lunch. So?



Think of what's not being produced, created, contemplated, imagined, dreamed, and realized because so many people are sitting on their sofas glued to the box.
So, when you are not watching TV, which you never do, because you intensely hate it, you are either producing, creating, contemplating, imagining, dreaming or realising? Really?



My second point, and then I'll stop, is who controls the flickering images -- the government and a handful of very powerful corporations.
I take it you never drink Coca-Cola or go to a McDonalds, you build your own fire to cook, you clean your clothes in the creek behind the house, you get your internet access for free from the local, friendly, internetseller, and not from a large ISP, you weave your own clothes .. I could go on.

That computer you're sitting behind, how much did that cost?




a society of mindless consumers buying what they tell them to buy, believing what they tell them to believe, and thinking what they tell them to think.
Oh come on?! Do you have so little confidence in the human race - are we really that stupid? I hope not.

And that was it, really. I rarely so radically disagree with someone, so, thanks for that, Irene!

Cheers, Martin
 
Gee, no personal attacks in that response! :eek: How did you ever get to know me so well in less than 10 posts?

Sorry, but I'm not the sort to engage in a war of words. I explained my position and you disagree, such is life. I see no need to carry it further.

Thanks for the ever-so-warm welcome.

Irene Wilde
 
Martin said:
Good!

Will you stand by me as the women butcher me!?

Cheers, Martin


Not until you shave that little patch of hair on your upper lip :D

What's that? You weren't talking to me?

My bad :eek:


RaVeN
*clicks heels and goose steps into the sunset*
 
Irene, I was talking in general - I would say those things to anyone who said the things you did.

Don't take it so personal.

Cheers, Martin
 
I hate the constant barrage of TV's everywhere - restaurants, bars, etc. Definitely a conversation killer.

Martin, maybe you can tune a blaring TV out, but lots of people can't. Wolf, despite the fact that he doesn't want to pay attention to TV, will focus on one if it's on.

But the thing I hate about TV is that it kills spontenaity. I hate when I suggest things to do and someone says, "Oh, I can't, ______________ is on."

As adults, we can discount advertising, even though I think it is stronger than people give it credit for, but I worry about the kiddos who don't have the ability to filter it out yet.

I don't think TV is evil, I just think it's something that should be enjoyed in moderation. Perhaps it isn't so bad over there, but here the TV quality is bad, bad, bad. The only stuff worth watching is either imported from Britain or canceled after 1 season. And the US is having SERIOUS obesity problems, even with the kiddos, a lot of which can be blamed on the number of hours spent sitting on one's butt indoors -- TV, Internet, Video Games.
 
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