StillILearn
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Oops. Somehow I got a little bit distracted this morning. (pinches book pages) About half way through, I think. 
Here and now, Still. Here and now.
Here and now, Still. Here and now.
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Vladimir Nabokov: Lolita
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Peder
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Pontalba,pontalba said:I wondered if you knew the other Lolita was in it. I thought I'd just missed that factoid.
I can't believe that the blurb I read (on amazon?) mentioned two stories without mentioning that Lolita was one of them! But that's my story an' I'm stickin' with it!
Maybe it was just another senior moment. PS If and when that book arrives, after another century or so, I think I'll probably be heading right to the Lolita and reading it first, without any preconceptions. At that point I may throw the book out, but probably not.
Going to check rght now.
Peder
pontalba
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Actually, Peder, I would have prefered to have read the story first. I think they made a mistake not placing it in the beginning. But the facts and suppositions put forth in the body of the book are fascinating. So, yes, read the short story first. But by all means read the whole thing!!
Peder
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Pontalba,pontalba said:
No the book hasn't come. But there are four more times I can check today. Ask not for whom the Parcel Post comes. It does not come for you! Grrrrr.
Glad to hear your advice. Shall now read Lolita first, without a guilty conscience! And yes I'll definitely read the entire book, or try to. Rare is the book I haven't finished, but there have been occasional ones. In between, there are the ones where I argue vigorusly and vociferously with the author by writing in the margins, something I rarely do to a book.
Waiting.....waiting.....
Peder
Peder
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I have now read the Lichberg Lolita short story in Maar's Two Lolitas.
I an shocked to say -- shocked, shocked -- that I fail to see how grown men can see a glimmer of a Nabokov Lolita in that story. It does not even have the triangle I thought it had. And my high school German still suffices to read the titles in the references and to wonder whether those authors read the same short story I did, Except for the name, I, in my own imperceptive way, would not have connected it to Nabokov's masterpiece in any way shape or form. Oh, yes, almost forgot, it involves a little girl and she is called Lolita.
To me it springs from any story of a man who becomes hopelessly infatuated with a woman and loses everything he has to lose, including his life. That the 'woman' here is a girl is immaterial and does not make it a Lolita story to my way of thinking. It is the story of The Blue Angel movie (1930), where Lola Lola, a night club dancer and note the name. and played by Marlene Dietrich, attracts a very staid and upright Professor to his complete downfall and utter ruin and humiliation. It is the sory of Circe who is beguilingly attractive and enslaves men by turhning them into cattle and swine at the touch of her wand. It is the story of the Sirens whose song so enraptures men as to lose there senses and fall overboard and die in the sea. It is the story of the Lady of the Lake who completely takes Merlin in thrall and causes him to surrender his magical powers to her.
But it is not the story of a man who marries the mother to get at her daughter, Nor is it the Galatea story of a man who falls in love with the creation of either his hands or his imagination.
At least, not that I see.
Now I'll go read the learned opinions and analyses in the front of the book, which I expect will try to convince me otherwise.
Stay tuned,
Peder
BTW It is a charming short story that reminds me of O. Henry stories I have read.
I have now read the Lichberg Lolita short story in Maar's Two Lolitas.
I an shocked to say -- shocked, shocked -- that I fail to see how grown men can see a glimmer of a Nabokov Lolita in that story. It does not even have the triangle I thought it had. And my high school German still suffices to read the titles in the references and to wonder whether those authors read the same short story I did, Except for the name, I, in my own imperceptive way, would not have connected it to Nabokov's masterpiece in any way shape or form. Oh, yes, almost forgot, it involves a little girl and she is called Lolita.
To me it springs from any story of a man who becomes hopelessly infatuated with a woman and loses everything he has to lose, including his life. That the 'woman' here is a girl is immaterial and does not make it a Lolita story to my way of thinking. It is the story of The Blue Angel movie (1930), where Lola Lola, note the name and played by Marlene Dietrich, attracts a very staid and upright Professor to his complete downfall and utter ruin and humiliation. It is the sory of Circe who is beguilingly attractive and enslaves men by turhning them into cattle and swine at the touch of her wand. It is the story of the Sirens whose song so enraptures men as to lose there senses and fall overboard and die in the sea. It is the story of the Lady of the Lake who completely takes Merlin in thrall and causes him to surrender his magical powers to her.
But it is not the story of a man who marries the mother to get at her daughter, Nor is it the Galatea story of a man who falls in love with the creation of either his hands or his imagination.
At least, not that I see.
Now I'll go read the learned opinions and analyses in the front of the book, which I expect will try to convince me otherwise.
Stay tuned,
Peder
BTW It is a charming short story that reminds me of O. Henry stories I have read.
I an shocked to say -- shocked, shocked -- that I fail to see how grown men can see a glimmer of a Nabokov Lolita in that story. It does not even have the triangle I thought it had. And my high school German still suffices to read the titles in the references and to wonder whether those authors read the same short story I did, Except for the name, I, in my own imperceptive way, would not have connected it to Nabokov's masterpiece in any way shape or form. Oh, yes, almost forgot, it involves a little girl and she is called Lolita.
To me it springs from any story of a man who becomes hopelessly infatuated with a woman and loses everything he has to lose, including his life. That the 'woman' here is a girl is immaterial and does not make it a Lolita story to my way of thinking. It is the story of The Blue Angel movie (1930), where Lola Lola, a night club dancer and note the name. and played by Marlene Dietrich, attracts a very staid and upright Professor to his complete downfall and utter ruin and humiliation. It is the sory of Circe who is beguilingly attractive and enslaves men by turhning them into cattle and swine at the touch of her wand. It is the story of the Sirens whose song so enraptures men as to lose there senses and fall overboard and die in the sea. It is the story of the Lady of the Lake who completely takes Merlin in thrall and causes him to surrender his magical powers to her.
But it is not the story of a man who marries the mother to get at her daughter, Nor is it the Galatea story of a man who falls in love with the creation of either his hands or his imagination.
At least, not that I see.
Now I'll go read the learned opinions and analyses in the front of the book, which I expect will try to convince me otherwise.
Stay tuned,
Peder
BTW It is a charming short story that reminds me of O. Henry stories I have read.
I have now read the Lichberg Lolita short story in Maar's Two Lolitas.
I an shocked to say -- shocked, shocked -- that I fail to see how grown men can see a glimmer of a Nabokov Lolita in that story. It does not even have the triangle I thought it had. And my high school German still suffices to read the titles in the references and to wonder whether those authors read the same short story I did, Except for the name, I, in my own imperceptive way, would not have connected it to Nabokov's masterpiece in any way shape or form. Oh, yes, almost forgot, it involves a little girl and she is called Lolita.
To me it springs from any story of a man who becomes hopelessly infatuated with a woman and loses everything he has to lose, including his life. That the 'woman' here is a girl is immaterial and does not make it a Lolita story to my way of thinking. It is the story of The Blue Angel movie (1930), where Lola Lola, note the name and played by Marlene Dietrich, attracts a very staid and upright Professor to his complete downfall and utter ruin and humiliation. It is the sory of Circe who is beguilingly attractive and enslaves men by turhning them into cattle and swine at the touch of her wand. It is the story of the Sirens whose song so enraptures men as to lose there senses and fall overboard and die in the sea. It is the story of the Lady of the Lake who completely takes Merlin in thrall and causes him to surrender his magical powers to her.
But it is not the story of a man who marries the mother to get at her daughter, Nor is it the Galatea story of a man who falls in love with the creation of either his hands or his imagination.
At least, not that I see.
Now I'll go read the learned opinions and analyses in the front of the book, which I expect will try to convince me otherwise.
Stay tuned,
Peder
BTW It is a charming short story that reminds me of O. Henry stories I have read.
pontalba
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The Two Lolitas
Peder ROTFALOLTIC!!!!!
My reaction exactamundo!
I suppose thats actually why the editor didn't put the stories first. 'Cause some would not read any further saying, Are You Kidding!!
Last night when I posted last I'd not yet read the short story "Lolita". I still haven't read the final one.
I'll be even nastier and say thats why Lichberg joined up with the Nazis. Meeooowwww............
I did enjoy Maar's book though. He brought out quite a few interesting factoids, and settled once and for all any question of plagerism. IMHO.
Nada. Zip. Zero.
Peder ROTFALOLTIC!!!!!
My reaction exactamundo!
I suppose thats actually why the editor didn't put the stories first. 'Cause some would not read any further saying, Are You Kidding!!
Last night when I posted last I'd not yet read the short story "Lolita". I still haven't read the final one.
I'll be even nastier and say thats why Lichberg joined up with the Nazis. Meeooowwww............
I did enjoy Maar's book though. He brought out quite a few interesting factoids, and settled once and for all any question of plagerism. IMHO.
Nada. Zip. Zero.
Peder
Well-Known Member
Pontalba,pontalba said:Peder ROTFALOLTIC!!!!!
My reaction exactamundo!
I suppose thats actually why the editor didn't put the stories first. 'Cause some would not read any further saying, Are You Kidding!!
Last night when I posted last I'd not yet read the short story "Lolita". I still haven't read the final one.
I'll be even nastier and say thats why Lichberg joined up with the Nazis. Meeooowwww............
I did enjoy Maar's book though. He brought out quite a few interesting factoids, and settled once and for all any question of plagerism. IMHO.
Nada. Zip. Zero.
Glad to see your reaction! I almost felt that I had been sold a book under false pretenses, the story was so far from what I think I was specifically led to believe. I now certainly don't see what all the commotion was about. Wikipedia gave a quote characterizing charges of plagiarism as "grossly over-exaggerated," as I recall. I would call that a gross understatement. "Are you kidding?" sounds like the right reaction.
I'm now waiting to hear your reaction to the second story. I'll not hint.
Now to read the discussion up front, although sleep may interfere,
Peder
Peder
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Pontalba,pontalba said:Gotta ask it.......what the heck is TPCBD????
The amout of "reach" in the plagerism questions is so far out of the ball park that I don't even see it. You may as well say that since the Earth is round, it bounces.
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Love your round Earth analogy. That won't be topped for a long time!
Tried reading that front part but it definitely started putting me to sleep.
Which is where I am headed right now,
Peder
pontalba
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Boy, am I glad I am not the only one that gets that TPCBD nastiness! I was afraid that it was my slow dial-up connection at fault. Whew!
Even sometimes when I transfer from one part of the forum to the other it does that.
Maar presents some interesting facts, and in the end, he doesn't think much of the plagerism accusations either as far as I can tell. I was interested to read about Lichberg. So, in the end, I am glad I read it. But now back to the Casebook.
Even sometimes when I transfer from one part of the forum to the other it does that.
Maar presents some interesting facts, and in the end, he doesn't think much of the plagerism accusations either as far as I can tell. I was interested to read about Lichberg. So, in the end, I am glad I read it. But now back to the Casebook.
StillILearn
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pontalba said:Peder I had the same thought.
The amout of "reach" in the plagerism questions is so far out of the ball park that I don't even see it. You may as well say that since the Earth is round, it bounces.
pontalba! I'm laughing! That's great! Wonderful visual. Okay, back to The Enchanter.
Vera came today. (rubbing hands together with glee)
pontalba
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Breaca! Sorry I missed you. Wobbles eh? Bah Humbug.
StillILearn How far along are you?
btw, received by UPS today.....The Stories of Vladimir Nabokov and Lolita, the Book of the Film by Stephen Schiff
Now its my turn to /sniff/sniff/.......y'all rolled up the sidewalk...!
j/k j/k
StillILearn How far along are you?
btw, received by UPS today.....The Stories of Vladimir Nabokov and Lolita, the Book of the Film by Stephen Schiff
Now its my turn to /sniff/sniff/.......y'all rolled up the sidewalk...!
j/k j/k
Breaca
Member
pontalba said:Breaca! Sorry I missed you. Wobbles eh? Bah Humbug.
Bah humbug you say actually the wobble is mainly caused by the Sun, Moon, and the larger planets, which apply a torque to the Earth. Other effects are caused by the movement of the Earth's crust and by air mass movement.
Back to subject at hand.... OK, now I'm truly lost she says fumbling in the dark - even my beloved spotlight has sputtered and twinkled it's last shining beam of literary sunshine. Er, how many novels/publications are we looking at - go on be a sweetie and give me a quick list. Afterall there's an awful lot of threading going on in this wonderful tapestry ya'll have got going and my lil' blue eyes getting too sleepy - or is the correct expression just plain punch drunk - Mmmm.
Ah well, I'm off to bed to sleep perchance to dream....
Peder
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Omnibus post: everything on my mind
Oy, you all remind me I haven't even cracked the Casebook yet. Not good, not good,
But I'll be finishing up Two Lolitas first and reporting/comparing notes with Pontalba for the benefit of everyone here. Anyone else have the Two Lolitas? From my comments you might gather that my opinion is that it is not a world burner and hardly vital reading.
And the glimmer of a hint surfaces re someday maybe starting a thread on Vera?
And someday catching up with Pontalba on anything she has, More potential threads there than a ball of yarn.
But, for the moment, I'm looking toward opening a new thread to discuss Enchanter and its comparisons with Lolita, with at least four peole I know of:
StillILearn
Pontalba
Breaca
Myself
If I have missed anyone who has or will have read the book, please let us know here. Everyone is of course welcome and mightily encouraged to join in, having read the book or not, if they can stand the open discussion of spoilers and endings as has been done here. The thought being that strictly Lolita discussions will continue here (dwindling, but some still reading and not to be left in the lurch), and discussion of Enchanter there, with all comparisons of the two books there, so the comparisons can all be in one place.
Any shrieks from anyone on any of the above, please shriek soon.
Any suggestions from anyone also welcome, as there seems to be a transitition coming from major discussion being here to most discussion being there and I don't want anyone to feel left behind. At all! We have been too good friends for that to happen!
StillILearn: Did you read the obscure instructions on inserting links that I put down in the Testing Area?
For you SIL, just for you!
Breaca, sorry I missed you. And StillILearn, and Pontalba too. And all our silent crowd.
Now I'll try to go back to sleep. Maybe if I put the book under my pillow it will help.
CU all tmw
Peder
Oy, you all remind me I haven't even cracked the Casebook yet.
Not good, not good, But I'll be finishing up Two Lolitas first and reporting/comparing notes with Pontalba for the benefit of everyone here. Anyone else have the Two Lolitas? From my comments you might gather that my opinion is that it is not a world burner and hardly vital reading.
And the glimmer of a hint surfaces re someday maybe starting a thread on Vera?
And someday catching up with Pontalba on anything she has,
More potential threads there than a ball of yarn. But, for the moment, I'm looking toward opening a new thread to discuss Enchanter and its comparisons with Lolita, with at least four peole I know of:
StillILearn
Pontalba
Breaca
Myself
If I have missed anyone who has or will have read the book, please let us know here. Everyone is of course welcome and mightily encouraged to join in, having read the book or not, if they can stand the open discussion of spoilers and endings as has been done here. The thought being that strictly Lolita discussions will continue here (dwindling, but some still reading and not to be left in the lurch), and discussion of Enchanter there, with all comparisons of the two books there, so the comparisons can all be in one place.
Any shrieks from anyone on any of the above, please shriek soon.
Any suggestions from anyone also welcome, as there seems to be a transitition coming from major discussion being here to most discussion being there and I don't want anyone to feel left behind. At all! We have been too good friends for that to happen!
StillILearn: Did you read the obscure instructions on inserting links that I put down in the Testing Area?
For you SIL, just for you!
Breaca, sorry I missed you. And StillILearn, and Pontalba too. And all our silent crowd.
Now I'll try to go back to sleep. Maybe if I put the book under my pillow it will help.
CU all tmw
Peder