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Vladimir Nabokov: Lolita

On one of the websites for James Mason (I can't find it again :eek: ), in describing Mason, he was said to be one of the rare actors that can make an apparently undesirable character, someone that is really a rotten rat seem sooo sympathatic.............Can everyone say..........Humbert Humbert! :cool: And this was years before Lolita! So, perfect casting there!:D
 
Metamorphoses of Lolita

Actually, Pontalba, SFG, et al
I logged on because I just finished reading the article that SFG75 mentioned some time back, with title approximately as given above, and thought I'd post while my thoughts are still freshly scrambled, and before they sort themselves out and get lost.

First of all, it is a fascinating article because it methodically provides detailed critiques and comparisons of all four of Enchanter, Lolita, Kubrik's Lolita and Lyne's Lolita films. It is definitely a must read for anyone wanting to learn and appreciate more than what they can see with their own two eyes.

In addition to all that, the article has an extended historical analysis of the way society's view of the simple idea of "childhood" has evolved. For example, there once was no separate category called childhood. [!] And, coupled with that, the author discusses the different ways that society has connected, or not connected, the ideas of sexuality and children. The changes have been remarkable is the only summary statement I can make, except that you all should read it.

Finally the author exapnds on that theme to provide a historical overview of entertainment figures and how they have connected with the audience's continuing interest in youth and sexuality, from today's Japanese Manga comic figures, way back to actors and actresses whom only some of us barely remember.

Along the way the author mentions Kate Moss, who became the face of Calvin Klein in ads, and "sold clothing without clothing." :)

But I was especially glad to see, for the first time in print (to my eyes), a discussion of Shirley Temple's enormous popular appeal, and the role that barely hidden sexuality played in her popularity. I may have the title slightly wrong but in one of her movies, for example, as an approximate 8-yr-old she sang a coquettish song to a grown man called "I Want to Make Love to You" (And my ears definitely remember that the next line was "To you, and nobody else but you").

The author also mentions that every one of her movies included an obligatory scene where she scrambles up onto the lap of the gruff and crusty old man and completely melts his heart and his resistance (Sound familiar?). So lolitas go back a way, long before VN coined the term, and the author discusses how society has viewed that. The Appendices provide very nice pictures to illustrate all those who are mentioned in the text. For anyone interested in movies and other media this is a must read.

And, now, to tie it back explicitly to Lolita, the author describes each of the films and the acting in them and says that IHO each of them missed the mark of really capturing Lolita the book, and that the outstanding Lolita film yet remains to be made. And, incidentally, he mentions some possible director's names. This part definitely for movie lovers.

He says the appeal of Lolita is not captured by accurate fidelity to the book's word-for-word dialogue and scenes. The author maintains that the book's tremensous appeal is in its literary aesthetics (to maybe coin a poor phrase). In fact, the author distinguishes two types of readers: those who are atttracted by story, and those who are attracted by literary aspects of the writing. S/he further maintains that the former are the readers who are put off by the subject matter and have trouble finishing the book, while the latter can see beyond the subject matter to enjoy the book much more. That's just a difference not a value judgement IMO!!!

So, all on all, it is a very enjoyble read, but not one that can be all absorbed in one sitting. Rereading is obviously a must. What else?

That was a great find SFG!

Peder
 
Peder! I can't find the link from SFG, save me!

Your marvelous post makes me want to go back and read the whole link! Tried to find it, cannot!
Gotta Have It! Help!:eek:

You know I thought I was the only one that thought those scenes out of Shirley Temple were a bit offish.....:eek:
 
Link to Metamorphoses of Lolita

The link originally posted by SFG75 is to an article, actually a very impressive Master's thesis, by Magdalena Ziemba:

Metamorphoses of Lolita

My oversight that it was not included with my post,
Peder
 
Not your oversite, my forgetfulness! ;)

Thanks a lot Peder, now I'll download that Foxit thing (which I remembered to save in favorites :eek: ), and get the article. :)
 
pontalba said:
Peder! I can't find the link from SFG, save me!

Your marvelous post makes me want to go back and read the whole link! Tried to find it, cannot!
Gotta Have It! Help!:eek:

You know I thought I was the only one that thought those scenes out of Shirley Temple were a bit offish.....:eek:
Pontalba,
Well, I thought I was the only one who thought those scenes rather strange! :D
Now we both know! :)
I only saw them not so long ago, probably on TV, and I immediately thought 'OMG, she's doing a grownup sex-kitten impersonation!' It was just so obvious! (To my male mind, I guess :rolleyes: ) And then, when I posted, the recollection of the song came back, so I must have seen the original movie (ca 1938 - ??), of course without my too-young male mind noticing anything then.

I have gradually been realizing that many of the names of old-time movie stars, whom I only know as names from the silent era, were actually famous for good old S-E-X. Clara Bow wasn't called the 'It' girl for nothing, for example. It's the ages old commodity. The child Shirley Temple now apparently included. :rolleyes:

Sorry to have omitted the link. I realized too late that someone might actually want to read the article! :eek: :)

Peder
 
Caution

Peder said:
But I was especially glad to see, for the first time in print (to my eyes), a discussion of Shirley Temple's enormous popular appeal, and the role that barely hidden sexuality played in her popularity. I may have the title slightly wrong but in one of her movies, for example, as an approximate 8-yr-old she sang a coquettish song to a grown man called "I Want to Make Love to You" (And my ears definitely remember that the next line was "To you, and nobody else but you").Peder
Pontalba, SFG,et al
I have double-checked the Ziemba article and found that the actual song lyrics are sung to her father, and are
I love to hug and kiss you.
Marry me and let me be you wife!
In every dream I caress you,
I may have thought of the wrong song (with maybe even the wrong title), so I'll be doing some googling trying to clear that up. :eek:
Will keep you posted (as we say :) )
Peder
 
Correction

Peder said:
Pontalba, SFG,et al
I may have thought of the wrong song (with maybe even the wrong title), so I'll be doing some googling trying to clear that up. :eek:
Will keep you posted (as we say :) )
Peder
Pontalba, SFG, et al
Indeed I was thinking of another song, not sung by Shirley Temple, but by others much later, with lyrics
I wanna be loved by you,
Just you and nobody else but you
...
In addition, the movie "Poor Little Rich Girl" (1936), in which Shirley Temple does sing the correct lyrics attributed to her in Ziemba's Metamorphoses thesis,
I love to hug and kiss you,
Marry me and let me be your wife!
In every dream I caress you,
would be just a little early for even my memory. (Although even at that young age, a few years, my parents no doubt took me to the movies with them! Babysitters were unheard of.)

They say childhood memories are not reliable; there is the living proof of it! :eek:
Sorry for the confusion and the mis-attribution,
Peder
 
Peder
Incredible! Sounds like HumbertLand. I can't find it at the moment, but at one point HH said something like that Lo had entered a dark landscape umber Humbert Land..........

It also sounds as though VN simply held up a dark mirror to America and America didn't like what it saw. Thus all the ruckus about the book.

Something about protesting too much? :(

And again thanks to SFG75 for finding the link to begin with!
 
pontalba said:
Peder
Incredible! Sounds like HumbertLand. I can't find it at the moment, but at one point HH said something like that Lo had entered a dark landscape umber Humbert Land..........

It also sounds as though VN simply held up a dark mirror to America and America didn't like what it saw. Thus all the ruckus about the book.

Something about protesting too much? :(

And again thanks to SFG75 for finding the link to begin with!
Pontalba,
Yes indeed many thanks to SFG for that link!

Who knows? From the dates, it looks like he overlapped some of her career here in the US by a couple years. So there is the chance he might have seen her in a movie. And if he saw the scene that Metamorphoses refers to, I suspect it would have stayed in his vacuum-cleaner memory forever. After all he was 40 more or less when he came here in 1939 and couldn't have missed the subliminal appeal. But then maybe the whole tone that Metamorphoses talks about in the US could also have influenced him in creating a lolita with just a tinge :rolleyes: of sexiness about her. :D '40 to '45 would have been war years, but after that I wonder what the culture was like. Have to reread, with that more specifically on my mind, and concentrate on the words instead of the pretty pictures. :rolleyes:

But yes he wrote an America that existed, at least in part, and that he saw. Which caused some to call the book un-American, while others contrasted European and American influences. I guess if he created Lolita out of American influences, not to mention observing school girls on buses and in playgrounds, as he did, then that makes her our all-American gal :eek: :D j/k j/k

Gonna reread in any event,
Peder
 
Peder said:
it looks like he overlapped some of her career here in the US by a couple years. So there is the chance he might have seen her in a movie. And if he saw the scene that Metamorphoses refers to, I suspect it would have stayed in his vacuum-cleaner memory forever. After all he was 40 more or less when he came here in 1939 and couldn't have missed the subliminal appeal. But then maybe the whole tone that Metamorphoses talks about in the US could also have influenced him in creating a lolita with just a tinge :rolleyes: of sexiness about her. :D '40 to '45 would have been war years, but after that I wonder what the culture was like. Have to reread, with that more specifically on my mind, and concentrate on the words instead of the pretty pictures. :rolleyes:

But yes he wrote an America that existed, at least in part, and that he saw. Which caused some to call the book un-American, while others contrasted European and American influences. I guess if he created Lolita out of American influences, not to mention observing school girls on buses and in playgrounds, as he did, then that makes her our all-American gal :eek: :D j/k j/k

Gonna reread in any event,
Peder
Sometimes it takes a fresh eye to see what the native no longer perceives. And as you say Mr. Vacuum Brain/VN would have taken in every small detail and seen it with fresh perspective. And he did ride on those school buses didn't he.

Did he see the elephant in the living room? :confused: :eek: Could be.
Denial is not only a river in Egypt. :(
 
pontalba said:
Sometimes it takes a fresh eye to see what the native no longer perceives. And as you say Mr. Vacuum Brain/VN would have taken in every small detail and seen it with fresh perspective. And he did ride on those school buses didn't he.

Did he see the elephant in the living room? :confused: :eek: Could be.
Denial is not only a river in Egypt. :(
Well, Pontalba,
I've been sitting here wondering the same thing.
I remember reading that Lolita was once characterized as the All-America 50's Teenager by some reviewer. I thought, then, that she was actually a satire of that species.

Now however, I realize that Nabokov was looking at a total American culture in addtion to just those girls on the buses, and that I have no way of knowing what he was seeing through his own two eyes, because I live so completely immersed in it.

Which now seques directly into your post ............../whoosh/

Elephant? Maybe he did!
Denial? No, nooo, don't throw me into that river again! :D

Peder
 
Metamorphoses

I love the bit in the screenplay section where Nabokov makes himself a character in the movie. A Butterfly Hunter on the side of the road. Its on p.
56. I can't figure how to copy and paste from Adobe. :confused:
 
pontalba said:
I love the bit in the screenplay section where Nabokov makes himself a character in the movie. A Butterfly Hunter on the side of the road. Its on p.
56. I can't figure how to copy and paste from Adobe. :confused:
Pontalba,
Yes that tickled me too! LOL
There is just no doubt that the man was inventive! It didn't survive into the film did it? I don't recall it, but I would die to see it.
Peder
 
Peder Naw, of course not, Kubrick cut VN's screenplay down to the nub. :( Kubrick said it would have taken 7 hours to run.....:)
 
pontalba said:
Sometimes it takes a fresh eye to see what the native no longer perceives....
Did he see the elephant in the living room? :confused: :eek: Could be.
Pontalba,
Did he see the elephant in the living room?
How did he see America?
As usual you provoke me into wandering thought! :eek:

In looking through Appel's "Introduction" and Nabokov's own "Notes on a Book Entitled Lolita," I see there is much more on those topics than I remember. But let me begin with an excerpt from the Notes (that I do remember, p315):
"Another charge which some readers have made is that Lolita is un-American. This is something that pains me considerably more than the idiotic accusation of immorality. Considerations of depth and perspective (a suburban lawn, a mountaiin meadow) led me to build a number of North American sets. I needed a certain exhilirating milieu. Nothing is more exhilirating than philistine vulgarity. But in regard to philistine vulgariity there is no intrinsic difference between Palearctic manners and Nearctic manners. Any proletarian in Chicago can be as bourgeois (in the Flabertian sense) as a duke. I chose American motels instead of Swiss hotels or English inns only because I am trying to be an American writer and claim only the same rights that other American writers enjoy."

So, when he looks at the world for his creativity, he looks at a particular cultural stratum, which he calls 'philitine vulgarity.' Appel nails that notion in the Introduction (p xlvii), using the word that Nabokov chose specifically for the purpose.
Although Humbert clearly delights in many of the absurdities around him, the anatomist's characteristic vivacity is gone from the pages which concern Charlotte Haze, and not only because she is repugnant to Humbert in terms of the "plot" but rather because to Nabokov she is the definitive artsy-craftsy suburban lady -- the culture vulture, that travesty of Woman, Love, and Sexuality. In short, she is the essence of American poshlust, to use the "one pitiless [Russian]word" which, writes Nabokov in Gogol, is able to express "the idea of a certain widespread defect for which the other three European languages I know have no special term. ..... More precisely it "is not only the obviously trashy but also the falsely important, the falsely beautiful, the falsely clever, the falsely attractive. Poshlust:.... It is an amalgam of pretentiousness and philistine vulgarity."

So, where would Nabokov rate the director who caused Shirley Temple to clamber up onto her Daddy's lap and sing a torch song to him? Doesn't take much to guess.

And is that the only America he sees? Certainly not, because he knows at least of our "mountain meadows" and our butterflies also.

So what does he see? Sounds like everything, and more vividly than any of us. Which is exactly what you suggested..

Good morning :)
Peder
 
P.S.,

So, is Lolita herself philistine vulgarity, poshlust?

Them's fightin' words to me!

Peder
 
Peder You gave this meaning of Poshlust-"Poshlust:.... It is an amalgam of pretentiousness and philistine vulgarity."

Charlotte.....most certainly.

Lolita.....nah. She was vulgar on occasion, but pretentiousness was as far from her character as light from dark. :)
 
Lolita: A Screenplay

Couldn't resist poking about in the screenplay...:eek:
I just opened it up where ever it wanted to open, and it opened at the place of HH picking up Lo at Camp Q after Charlotte's death (something bad is soon to happen!)

On p. 107 of the screenplay, after Humbert has spoken with Quilty on the porch and is going in to Lolita, he passes a beaming Dr. Braddock and some matrons and is accidently photographed with them. Now the part I do not remember from the book:

BRADDOCK: (pointing to part of the mural which continues around the corner) And here the theme changes. The hunter thinks he has hypnotized the little nymph but it is she who puts him into a trance.

Just checked to be sure, that bit of dialogue was not in the book.

VN's playful giving the viewer a hint.
 
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