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Vladimir Nabokov: The Enchanter

There is? Fantastic. No, seriously. Ada was tough, and I already reread most of it at least two or three times when I was going through, but I do think that it's the kind of book you can read a million times and still find something new. I know most of Nabokov's books are like that, but I think moreso with Ada than The Enchanter, for example, or even Lolita.

So I'm gonna go Amazoning for Boyd. In preparation for getting my credit card back, y'know ;) :D
 
steffee said:
There is? Fantastic. No, seriously. Ada was tough, and I already reread most of it at least two or three times when I was going through, but I do think that it's the kind of book you can read a million times and still find something new. I know most of Nabokov's books are like that, but I think moreso with Ada than The Enchanter, for example, or even Lolita.

So I'm gonna go Amazoning for Boyd. In preparation for getting my credit card back, y'know ;) :D

LOL :D :cool: The nice thing about Amazon, is the fact one can put stuff in the cart, and not buy until "tomorrow".

btw, BB has one for Pale Fire, and no, I don't have it Yet.:rolleyes: :eek: But I think its in my cart.......
 
pontalba said:
But I think its in my cart.......

:D :D :D :D

Yeah, Amazon's great. You can email your wishlist to everyone, too hehe. :D

I'm with a reward scheme here that I've been saving with for a year or so and have now got £89 saved up. If you take Amazon vouchers instead of cash you get 10% extra for every £50, too. :D :D :D

Have you heard any more from Peder?
 
steffee said:
:D :D :D :D

Yeah, Amazon's great. You can email your wishlist to everyone, too hehe. :D

I'm with a reward scheme here that I've been saving with for a year or so and have now got £89 saved up. If you take Amazon vouchers instead of cash you get 10% extra for every £50, too. :D :D :D

Have you heard any more from Peder?
Hmmm....wonder if we have that over here? :eek:

Haven't heard since late last night. He was bringing it in for repairs or new one today. :( So, we will see. Hopefully it'll be Soon!
 
Oh, I was sure some of the members were in the US. I know they are definitely as far away as Australia! :eek: :confused:
 
Steffee
In the FAQs the Voucher redemption part, they say that Amazon vouchers can only be redeemed at Amazon UK.
And not any partner thingys. :confused: Thats what I am going by.
But boy oh boy what a good idea!
 
steffee said:
I need to reread lol :eek: :D

It's tough-going, much more so than Lolita, or Enchanter, or what I've read so far in Pnin... I did make a list of references for comparison with Lolita et al. though, for when we get round to discussing :)

Its tougher than Lolita?? Wow. But you know Pnin
is deceptively simple. I'm a warnin' ya. ;)
 
steffee said:
I'm reading Pnin now. It's great. I don't know why I put it off for so long!

I'm reading Pnin, and he's cracking me up! I love it that we find ourselves in a sport shop wherein Pnin is asking for a "football ball. Round!". Then he's off to buy a book called Martin Eden, and we are so caught up in Pnin's Mr Magoo-isness that we (I) fail to realize that he's making these purchases for the grown-up Victor. I also love it that the woman in the store matter-of-factly wraps this soccer ball in some kind of "shapeless wrapping" and scotch tapes it up. I can see Pnin standing there like a penquin as she does it, too.

VN loves throwing us off the scent and then addressing us as "careless reader".

Also! What about the names, Tony Brade, Jr and Lance Boke? :D
 
I haven't got that far yet :eek: :rolleyes: :)

I absolutely loved the talk of language, very interesting and VN-style hilarious!! :D :D

I love the Pninian references too, "Pninian craving" "Pninian quandary" :)

He's not having a lot of luck really, poor thing, first the wrong train and now his bag :eek: :cool:
 
But it also has some very emotional but highly understated scenes as well. No obvious gnashing of teeth, but there all the same. :cool:
 
Vladimir Nabokov: The Russian Years by B. Boyd

While searching for something else, I ran across this little bit from Boyd on The Enchanter...
Even if Lolita had never been written, "The Enchanter" would still have to be judged a failure. No matter how intelligent, the story's style cannot by itself vivify its unrealized world. Nevertheless we should be grateful for this failed experiment. It reminds us that even after his bold choice of subject in Lolita, Nabokov still had to find the characters, psychology, plot, setting, narrative voice, and the tone to suit. "The Enchanter" testifies to the sheer difficulty of the task he undertook in Lolita, no matter how easy, how harmonious, how perfect he made it all look on his second try.
"one blue-papered wartime night" Nabokov read the story to a group of friends: Aldanov, Fondaminsky, Zenzinov, and his doctor Mme Kogan-Bernstein. But Sovremennye Zapiski did not take it. Nabokov offered it to Abram Kagan of Petropolis Press--a story in the style of Boccaccio and Aretino, he described it--but the war had halted Petroplois's program, and in any case Nabokov himself began to feel dissatisfied with his own work. It remained unpublished until almost ten years after his death.
Well we do know that VN collaborated with Dimitri in the translation, so it wasn't as though they waited until after he died. It was with his blessing.

And for Boyd to call it a failure is a bit strong as far as I am concerned. It was much more than a precursor.
 
pontalba said:
While searching for something else, I ran across this little bit from Boyd on The Enchanter...
Well we do know that VN collaborated with Dimitri in the translation, so it wasn't as though they waited until after he died. It was with his blessing.

And for Boyd to call it a failure is a bit strong as far as I am concerned. It was much more than a precursor.
Pontalba,
That's a wonderful find, and so thought-provoking, because apart from Boyd's opinions it shows an expert's view of what it takes to make a story "go" and to "succeed." To me success and failure are very relative concepts. Much easier are "like" and "don't like," which I realize are totally personal reactions and can have little to do with "merit," or in the case of Boyd's comments, "success" or "failure" of a work.

Boyd believes, on the one hand, that Nabokov failed to vivify the "unrealized world" of the story. Maybe through his eyes, Nabokov didn't. But it was vivified enough for me to find it very enjoyable, with many details to admire and many wonderful interactions to read about between the characters, who themselves were real as real could be for me. I hate to think of what Boyd's opinion would be of other books I read where even I would claim their worlds were not vivified and interestingly realized and that the characters are conventional. Oy! It splits my head to contemplate. Maybe Nabokov didn't come up to Boyd's technical writerly standards for literary success in the construction and creation of the novel and its world, -- or maybe even up to Nabokov's own standards, as Boyd suggests -- but Nabokov more than satisfied my readerly standards for appreciating and enjoying The Enchanter! The ending alone lifts it way above the ordinary for me, in addition to the ear-splitting scream, the girl's mother, the guy's slick and oily ways, the zero-length courtship, the scenes in the park, the girl tying her shoelace, simply the descriptions of the girl skipping, and skating back and forth, and waiting her turn in line for jump-rope. If that novel was a "miss" then for me it was such a near-miss for the difference not make any difference.

OTOH Boyd lists what it does really take to make a novel as great as Lolita, and there is no doubt that Lolita succeeded by anyone's standards.

So Boyd's views were definitely very informative and insightful and educational for me, and may well help me better appreciate good writing. But I sure hope they don't interfere with the writing that I already enjoy, and I'm going to resist to the bitter end. Boyd or no Boyd.

Peder the Combative :)
 
Peder
The Boyd's are excellent references, as you well know, but honestly sometimes the reasonings he comes up with for Nabokov's plot lines are, well just not on the mark. At least not IMHO. And this time I do mean the humble. :D Lots of times I don't. :D :eek:
 
pontalba said:
Peder
The Boyd's are excellent references, as you well know, but honestly sometimes the reasonings he comes up with for Nabokov's plot lines are, well just not on the mark. At least not IMHO. And this time I do mean the humble. :D Lots of times I don't. :D :eek:
Pontalba,
Hmm, that's interesting to hear.
I haven't delved into the two volumes as much as you, but generally have not been put off. I thought his take on Glory was rather different that I myself could see, so I would say his outright denial of Enchanter is the first genuinely sour note I have seen. I would still call his commentary on Pale Fire magnificent, though, even if that is also a definite stretch of one's brain cells at times.
Peder
 
Peder said:
If one were really in the Nabokovian research game, then it would be the original materials from his era that Nabokov used for his research that I would be more interested in finding and seeing.

I am the author of that article.
I didn't quote any professional literature from that time because there wasn't any.
Nabokov must have come up with these insights from introspection.

So I really meant the list for reading as pastime, rather than for purchasing the books. A psychiatrist who specifically wrote up his conclusions re Humbert (if he could) would be interesting to read.

I haven't found any such writing, but here is one psychiatrist who thinks Nabokov was a pedophile:

Centerwall, B. S. 1992. Vladimir Nabokov: A case study in pedophilia. Psychoanalysis and Contemporary Thought 15: 199-239.
 
tomato said:
I am the author of that article.
I didn't quote any professional literature from that time because there wasn't any.
Nabokov must have come up with these insights from introspection.



I haven't found any such writing, but here is one psychiatrist who thinks Nabokov was a pedophile:

Centerwall, B. S. 1992. Vladimir Nabokov: A case study in pedophilia. Psychoanalysis and Contemporary Thought 15: 199-239.
Well, tomato!
Heartiest and friendliest welcome to the discussion and congratulations on your article!
Just at the moment you have me at a disdvantage, having my remarks fresh in front of your eyes while I'll have to do some rummaging to find them and see their context again.
I am continuing to worry Geoffrey Green's Freud and Nabokov, to see if I can't make better heads or tails of it than I have been able to do so far, to summarize for myself Green's take on that topic in some way that is shorter than a restatement of (almost) the entire book itself.
So this is a placeholder post until I can get my bearings and I very much hope you will continue with the discussion.
Very glad to hear from you,
Peder
 
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