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Vladimir Nabokov: The Real Life Of Sebastian Knight

Oh phooey on the guy with the "u"! I'm talking common sense!
And it is common sense. We like what we are familiar with in life. Humans are creatures of habit, yes? For better or worse. :D
Now (mumble, mumble) to get back to the non-murder mystery within the story......later.

I love the description of Clare's relationship with Sebastian. It seemed to so parallel Vladimir and Vera's. The typing of his manuscripts, the "orgy of corrections". His search for exactly the right combination of words.
And Clare, who had not composed a single line of imaginative prose or poetry in her life, understood so well (and that was her private miracle) every detail of Sebastian's struggle, that the words she typed were to her not so much the conveyors of their natural sense, but the curves and gaps and zigzags showing Sebastian's groping along a certain ideal line of expression.
and...
I know too that as Clare took down the words he disentangled from his manuscript she sometimes would stop tapping and say with a little frown, slightly lifting the outer edge of the imprisoned sheet and re-reading the line: "No, my dear. You can't say it so in English." He would stare at her for an instant or two and then resume his prowl, reluctantly pondering on her observation, while she sat with her hands softly folded in her lap quietly waiting. "There is no other way of expressing it," he would mutter at last. "And if for instance," she would say--and then an exact suggestion would follow.
"Oh, well, if you like," he would reply.

If you like. LOL..:cool:
 
pontalba said:
OMG Peder! I hope not, thats all I can say! Oy.
Well, Pontalba,
You're safe!
Rereading the non-murder myster-within-a-mystery did next to nothing for me. Except remind me that there is decpetiveness in mysteries. Duh. So maybe I missed something.
But what it definitely did NOT do for me was provide any hint of the super-elusive, super-deceptive, de-luxe kind of deception that VN was going to be practicing to protect his most secret of secrets later on. Sheesh! I would have to say he brought deception to a new higher level. The cliff I fell off was at least a mile tall!

OTOH it did lead directly into one of the most heart-breaking mini-stories in the novel, of William and Anne. (p.96 vintage)
"William .. saw her home as usual... and cuddled her a little in the darkness of the hallway. All of a sudden she felt that his face was wet .. "Raining in paradise" he said. .... "Grown up men don't cry" said Anne. "But I am not a grown up." he replied with a whimper. ..... "Good night" said Anne. "Tomorrow at eight" he cried as she slipped away. He patted the door gently and presently was strolling down the street. She is warm and she is pretty, he mused, and I love her, and it's all no good, no good, because we are dying. I cannnot bear that backward slide into the past. That last kiss is already dead. ...
As he undressed [for bed] he imagined the forbidden bliss of a sunlit laundry ... Might he beg Anne to wash his shirt? Had he really annoyed her again? Did she really believe they would be married some day?
And then a little later (p.102 Vintage)
"He was presumably as fond of Clare as he always had been, but the acute sense of mortality which had begun to obsess him, made his relations with her apprear more brittle than they perhaps were. As for Clare, she had quite inadverrtently in her well-meaning innocence dallied at some sunlit corner of Sebastian's life, where Sebastian himself had not paused; and now she was left behind and did not quite know whether to try and catch up with him or attempt to call him back."
And we know immediately and sorrowfully what the end will be for Sebastian's and Clare's relationship. In only half a dozen pages, Nabokov squeezes our hearts twice. Raining in paradise, indeed!

When all the mystery is done and all the riddles solved, then the book will deserve yet one more read, finally to concentrate only on the real life of Sebastian Knight, the novel within the mystery.

Peder
 
pontalba said:
I love the description of Clare's relationship with Sebastian. It seemed to so parallel Vladimir and Vera's. The typing of his manuscripts, the "orgy of corrections". His search for exactly the right combination of words. and...

If you like. LOL..:cool:
Pontalba,
That is sooo Vera!
And the docile giant Vladimir, too!
That reads exactly like he took a picture out of the Nabokov family album and slipped it right here into The Real Life of Sebastian Knight. I guess he knew of no better companion for an author. :rolleyes: And I wonder what Vera felt or thought when she saw that in manuscript for the first time as she was typing it. That must have been a rare family moment!
Peder
 
Homage to Mme. Lecerf

In thinking over the novels we have read so far, I have to say that Madame Lecerf is emerging for me as probably my favorite and most outstanding supporting Nabokovian character. There are of course quite a number to consider, such as Silbermann right here in Sebastian Knight who is gloriously unforgettable; Charlotte (Big Haze) in Lolita; and, at a stretch, even Lolita herself, definitely at the head of any list.

But, first of all, why Lolita? Is she a supporting character? She is at least a co-leading character with Humbert, and she is certainly the one who starts the fireworks when she invades the private space of Humbert's lap with her casual legs on the couch. And all of the novel revolves about her once it gets going. But the fine distinction I would make is that the novel is seen through Humbert's eyes (and therefore the reader's) at all times and Lolita's dominance is lost behind his lack of realization of it. She says "Let's make love," and Humbert believes he has been granted a great boon, as she encompasses him completely.

Charlotte, especially in Shelley Winters' version, is superb as a dominant woman, but there again she shines in a perspective seen from Humbert's eyes, either as potential boarder or as eventual boarder and predator.

Silbermann is simply fantastic and might stand at the head of any list of supporting characters, but for one thing. He is male and all of Nabokov's worlds that I have seen so far are male worlds (I think).

Mme. LeCerf stands out above even Silbermann because she is a dominant female in V's male world. Madame LeCerf is Nabokov's foray into writing a woman who completely befuddles and takes over a man's thoughts and emotions, and who drives the action while she is on stage. And I would say that Nabokov does an extraordinary job in writing her character -- eventually the center point of the whole mystery. The scenes that involve her tingle with her personality, while V is reduced almost to phumphering ineffectiveness. [square brackets are mine in what follows, paraphrasing pp148-149 (Vintage)

If I liked I could talk to Mme Graun's friend...[she would deign to permit me]

She was a small slight pale faced young woman with smooth black hair...her black dress was high at the neck and she used a long black cigarette holder...[watch out for those women with cigarette holders]

"So you would like to see my friend" [said the spider to the fly]

I introduced myself. "Yes I saw your card." [stop wasting my time, I can read]

"You may be quite frank with me. I rather like delicate errands." [Just place your entire future in my hands]

"My brother had a friend; I am trying to find her."
"Quelle drole histoire". [How utterly comical you are] "And what do you want her to tell you [little man?]"

"Do you mean that Mme Graun is the person in question?"
"Very possibly" [Let me think how I'm going to play this.] "Though I don't think I ever heard her mentioning that particular name. What did you say it was?" [Suddenly I am vague and your question is small potatoes. Beg a little!]
"Sebastian Knight"
"No" [Can't hurt] "But still it's quite possible" [string him along a bit further]

"Why must you write a book about him [Let's see what we are really dealing with here].

"By all means burn love letters" [phew!] "The past makes noble fuel. Would you like some tea?" [that narrow escape is past!]

"No. What I would like to know is when I can see Mme. Graun?"

"Soon." [Don't get pushy, bub. I'm in charge here!] "She is not in Paris at the moment." [And you may never see her if you are not nice].
And so it goes. But she comes across to me as one wily tough cookie who makes the scenes work.

So I think she's the greatest! :D
Peder
 
:D Looks like a perfect interpretation of M. Lecerf!
She was a bit like the spider she was so afraid of wasn't she.
Now for another supporting female, don't forget Liza, the ex-Madam Pnin aka The Serpent(ess). :rolleyes:
 
pontalba said:
:D Looks like a perfect interpretation of M. Lecerf!
She was a bit like the spider she was so afraid of wasn't she.
Now for another supporting female, don't forget Liza, the ex-Madam Pnin aka The Serpent(ess). :rolleyes:
Yikes, Pontalba!
How could I forget Liza? But forget her I did! :eek:
She definitely goes in the Rogues Gallery, er, the list of shall we call 'em 'colorful' supporting characters. She has definite eeew-factor and goes right up at the top also. Nah, it's a Rogues Gallery! Had it right the first time. :D
Silbermann goes into a totally different Gallery. Timofey Pnin is the Curator over there, I hear.
Peder
 
Ah. Timofey. Sweet Timofey. Glad he has landed a nice cushy position. I worry about him. But he and Silbermann should have quite a lot to talk about in the Museum. After all, they have to corral all those butterflies that are running about loose. That'll keep them busy for a bit at any rate. ;)

Whoops, how'd that happen? :eek:
 
pontalba said:
Ah. Timofey. Sweet Timofey. Glad he has landed a nice cushy position. I worry about him. But he and Silbermann should have quite a lot to talk about in the Museum. After all, they have to corral all those butterflies that are running about loose. That'll keep them busy for a bit at any rate. ;)

Whoops, how'd that happen? :eek:
In that museum there's butterflies all over the place! :)
 
One of Nabokov's Blues...

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Pontalba,
Saw your wonderful Nabokov Blue again just now as I checked in.
What a wonderful way to start a day!
Many thanks for showing it; it really pretties up the place. :)
And finally shows us what we have only heard so much about!
I never guessed! Or even came close in my imagination.
Amazingly beautiful!
:) :) :)
Peder
 
Awww pretty butterflies!

Please someone tell me what the Ninka puzzle is, this is driving me positively insane! :eek:

;)
 
You guys are a wonderful way to start the day. And you never drop the ball for even one moment. Bless you, and keep up the good work.

I found all this to be particularly delightful:

If I liked I could talk to Mme Graun's friend...[she would deign to permit me]

She was a small slight pale faced young woman with smooth black hair...her black dress was high at the neck and she used a long black cigarette holder...[watch out for those women with cigarette holders]

"So you would like to see my friend" [said the spider to the fly]

I introduced myself. "Yes I saw your card." [stop wasting my time, I can read]

"You may be quite frank with me. I rather like delicate errands." [Just place your entire future in my hands]

"My brother had a friend; I am trying to find her."

"Quelle drole histoire". [How utterly comical you are] "And what do you want her to tell you [little man?]"

"Do you mean that Mme Graun is the person in question?"

"Very possibly" [Let me think how I'm going to play this.] "Though I don't think I ever heard her mentioning that particular name. What did you say it was?" [Suddenly I am vague and your question is small potatoes. Beg a little!]

"Sebastian Knight"

"No" [Can't hurt] "But still it's quite possible" [string him along a bit further]

"Why must you write a book about him [Let's see what we are really dealing with here].

"By all means burn love letters" [phew!] "The past makes noble fuel. Would you like some tea?" [that narrow escape is past!]

"No. What I would like to know is when I can see Mme. Graun?"

"Soon." [Don't get pushy, bub. I'm in charge here!] "She is not in Paris at the moment." [And you may never see her if you are not nice].
 
steffee said:
Awww pretty butterflies!

Please someone tell me what the Ninka puzzle is, this is driving me positively insane! :eek:

;)
Steffee,
Glad to oblige -- we have to keep you sane at all costs :) -- but the "puzzle" or the "solution" or both?
Peder
 
StillILearn said:
You guys are a wonderful way to start the day. And you never drop the ball for even one moment. Bless you, and keep up the good work.

I found all this to be particularly delightful:
Aww SIL,
You could do so much better! I know you could. :)
And there's so much more to be done /hint, hint/ :D :rolleyes:
Peder
 
Anything will do, Peder. Solution, puzzle, tiny clue. I'm lost, wah!!

:confused: :D

(Hi Still, glad to see you back with our Vladimir :) )
 
pontalba said:
Yes, I quite like the blue decor.:cool:

Nina
Ninka
Rechnoy
Lecerf
Helene von Graun


"Ah-oo-neigh na-sheiky pah-ook"
Steffee Ya mean this ^^^ Nina/Ninka/Rechnoy/LeCerf??
LOL

SIL?? Gee, I saw a flash, and for a moment I thought it was StillILearn....nah...guess not. Where is she anyway??
 
Identity Revealed.....if you don't want to know don't read this post! :D

steffee said:
Sorry Steffee, my poor attempt at humor. :)

Nina, Ninka, Madam LeCerf, and the ex Madam Rechnoy are all the same woman. Sebastian's woman. The one he left Clare for (idjut that he was!).

Madam Rechnoy's part is on p.140ish, and then look at p.160...all the same woman.
 
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